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Hi , i hope this is not too large now ?

1) Is there a way to create such a classic family tree ALL Relatives CHART with PHOTOS (illustrated at bottom of email)?  I am using Gramps 5.

2)if not, how do i export a gedcom file with photos to Family  Historian? I have tried and even with the "repair tools 2 not succeeded.

Thank you so much in advance ❤


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Re: ALL Relatives CHART with PHOTOS

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Hi Elaine,

Hi , i hope this is not too large now ?
If you intended to attach a picture to your mail, it looks like

1) Is there a way to create such a classic family tree ALL Relatives CHART with PHOTOS (illustrated at bottom of email)?  I am using Gramps 5.

I hope someone else can answer that.

2) if not, how do i export a gedcom file with photos to Family  Historian? I have tried and even with the "repair tools 2 not succeeded.

If you open the GEDCOM with notepad, or wordpad, it should contain lines starting with 4 FILE (or another number) that contain the full names, with folders, of your photos. Can you check that, and verify if the photos really are in the places listed in those FILE lines.

If they are, the problem is in Family Historian, if not, we might have a Gramps bug on Windows.

Regards,

Enno




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Re: ALL Relatives CHART with PHOTOS

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On Wednesday, 19 December 2018, 19:07:29 GMT, Elaine Pitt via Gramps-users <[hidden email]> wrote:


Hi , i hope this is not too large now ?

1) Is there a way to create such a classic family tree ALL Relatives CHART with PHOTOS (illustrated at bottom of email)?  I am using Gramps 5.

2)if not, how do i export a gedcom file with photos to Family  Historian? I have tried and even with the "repair tools 2 not succeeded.

Thank you so much in advance ❤



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Thank you Enno, i am using Linux, so that does not apply?

On Wednesday, 19 December 2018, 20:20:20 GMT, Enno Borgsteede <[hidden email]> wrote:


Hi Elaine,

Hi , i hope this is not too large now ?
If you intended to attach a picture to your mail, it looks like

1) Is there a way to create such a classic family tree ALL Relatives CHART with PHOTOS (illustrated at bottom of email)?  I am using Gramps 5.

I hope someone else can answer that.

2) if not, how do i export a gedcom file with photos to Family  Historian? I have tried and even with the "repair tools 2 not succeeded.

If you open the GEDCOM with notepad, or wordpad, it should contain lines starting with 4 FILE (or another number) that contain the full names, with folders, of your photos. Can you check that, and verify if the photos really are in the places listed in those FILE lines.

If they are, the problem is in Family Historian, if not, we might have a Gramps bug on Windows.

Regards,

Enno


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The origianl attachment was removed by moderators as too big for the site.  I have since added a link to what i am looking to achieve





On Wednesday, 19 December 2018, 20:20:20 GMT, Enno Borgsteede <[hidden email]> wrote:


Hi Elaine,

Hi , i hope this is not too large now ?
If you intended to attach a picture to your mail, it looks like

1) Is there a way to create such a classic family tree ALL Relatives CHART with PHOTOS (illustrated at bottom of email)?  I am using Gramps 5.

I hope someone else can answer that.

2) if not, how do i export a gedcom file with photos to Family  Historian? I have tried and even with the "repair tools 2 not succeeded.

If you open the GEDCOM with notepad, or wordpad, it should contain lines starting with 4 FILE (or another number) that contain the full names, with folders, of your photos. Can you check that, and verify if the photos really are in the places listed in those FILE lines.

If they are, the problem is in Family Historian, if not, we might have a Gramps bug on Windows.

Regards,

Enno


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Re: ALL Relatives CHART with PHOTOS

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Hi Elaine,

Thank you Enno, i am using Linux, so that does not apply?

Yes and no. When you mentioned Family Historian, I assumed that you were using Windows. Do you run that in Wine? Or are you transferring the GEDCOM to another machine that you run Family Historian on?

I'm assuming that you're referring to https://www.family-historian.co.uk/, are you?

If so, the problem is a bit different, because on Linux, Gramps exports photos like

4 FILE /home/enno/Documenten/archief/aktes/record-image_939D-9Z9D-NC.jpg

where a Windows program normally expects something like

4 FILE C:\Users\Enno\Documents ...

so if you try to import a GEDCOM made in Linux, like I just exported for this example, it will definitely go wrong, no matter whether you run Family Historian in Wine, or in a genuine Windows environment.

If you have a genuine Windows machine somewhere, the easiest remedy is to install Gramps 5 on that, export a Gramps XML with media on Linux (just use backup for that), import that into the Gramps on Windows, check if that version can find the media, export to GEDCOM, and see whether Family Historian understands.

It's quite complicated, especially because importing backups with media creates quite a mess on Windows, but it should work, sort of. And I say sort of, because I have no experience with Family Historian myself, and I normally don't use Gramps on Windows either.

Hope this helps, a bit,

Enno




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Re: ALL Relatives CHART with PHOTOS

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On 19/12/2018 21:08, Elaine Pitt via Gramps-users wrote:
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> Modern All Relatives Chart with Coloured Generations |
> <https://charting.myhistory.co.uk/charts/modern-all-relatives-chart-with-coloured-generations/>

Thank you for the terminology. I have been trying to describe this as a
user request but the phrase "all relatives" eluded me.

This is the type of chart I have been trying to find a generator for
that was open source, but no luck so far.

Peter


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Re: ALL Relatives CHART with PHOTOS

paul womack
Peter Flynn wrote:
> On 19/12/2018 21:08, Elaine Pitt via Gramps-users wrote:
>>
>> Modern All Relatives Chart with Coloured Generations |
>> <https://charting.myhistory.co.uk/charts/modern-all-relatives-chart-with-coloured-generations/>
>
> Thank you for the terminology. I have been trying to describe this as a
> user request but the phrase "all relatives" eluded me.

Ah - the phrase "all relatives" had been throwing me, since the gramps
filter of the same name ("related to" will traverse up, down, and across, resulting
in a set of people that is extraordinarily hard to diagram.

The description from the linked to site is narrower:

>  shows a single (root) person or couple along with their parents, siblings, spouse/s, children, grandchildren, grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins, nieces, nephews and all other blood relatives.

I believe this to be what Gramps calls an "hourglass graph".

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Re: ALL Relatives CHART with PHOTOS

Peter Flynn
On 20/12/2018 08:56, paul womack wrote:

> Peter Flynn wrote:
>> On 19/12/2018 21:08, Elaine Pitt via Gramps-users wrote:
>>>
>>> Modern All Relatives Chart with Coloured Generations |
>>> <https://charting.myhistory.co.uk/charts/modern-all-relatives-chart-with-coloured-generations/>
>>>
>>
>> Thank you for the terminology. I have been trying to describe this as a
>> user request but the phrase "all relatives" eluded me.
>
> Ah - the phrase "all relatives" had been throwing me, since the
> gramps filter of the same name ("related to" will traverse up, down,
> and across, resulting in a set of people that is extraordinarily hard
> to diagram.

This seems to be the problem. The linked diagram above is the classical
family tree layout that non-genealogists expect, but once you go beyond
the trivial, it's not something that you can produce on standard size
paper as it's usually too wide. The trick, of course, is to use a
language that does not require a paper-size commitment, and leave it to
the users to decide how or if they want to print it.  The other problem
is that families are messy, with one family having 20 children and
twenty others having none, or anything in between; multiple spouses,
sometimes concurrent, children adopted and raised by others, etc etc, so
any automated system will need algorithms for how to decide where to
slot people in, in the way that a geneaological artist would, and this
is seriously difficult.

> The description from the linked to site is narrower:
>
>>  shows a single (root) person or couple along with their parents,
>> siblings, spouse/s, children, grandchildren, grandparents, uncles,
>> aunts, cousins, nieces, nephews and all other blood relatives.
>
> I believe this to be what Gramps calls an "hourglass graph".

It certainly looks similar, but it presumes that you want a constriction
at the person of interest. In a "real" family tree there is no one
person predicated above the rest, and it's multi-headed at all points
(so it shows my parents' parents, and all their parents, etc back up the
tree as far as I have them -- all of them).

As a LaTeX user I am very interested in the LaTeX GenealogyTree package,
 but it packs boxes far too tight, and has severe limitations on things
like multiple spouses and separate lines of children.

P


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Re: ALL Relatives CHART with PHOTOS

Nick Hall
On 20/12/2018 22:45, Peter Flynn wrote:
> As a LaTeX user I am very interested in the LaTeX GenealogyTree package,
>   but it packs boxes far too tight, and has severe limitations on things
> like multiple spouses and separate lines of children.

There are many layout options possible with the GenealogyTree package. 
The reports I wrote only touch the surface.  I wanted to give an idea
what was possible.

We already have one user that has wriiten their own report. Perhaps
others will do the same.

Nick.




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Re: ALL Relatives CHART with PHOTOS

Peter Flynn
On 21/12/2018 00:55, Nick Hall wrote:

> On 20/12/2018 22:45, Peter Flynn wrote:
>> As a LaTeX user I am very interested in the LaTeX GenealogyTree package,
>>   but it packs boxes far too tight, and has severe limitations on things
>> like multiple spouses and separate lines of children.
>
> There are many layout options possible with the GenealogyTree package. 
> The reports I wrote only touch the surface.  I wanted to give an idea
> what was possible.
>
> We already have one user that has wriiten their own report. Perhaps
> others will do the same.

I guess I could look at extending it, but if you compare the URI quoted
earlier
(https://charting.myhistory.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Modern-all-relatives-Coloured-Generations-.pdf)
there are things people need that GT doesn't yet cater for, such as the
dashed line connecting Anthony Edward Munro in order to fit in the
back-reference to the entire right-hand family. I'm not convinced that
LaTeX is the language to do this kind of computation in, although it is
unquestionably the language of choice (with Lua and TikZ) for producing
the PDF.

Peter




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