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Ohio Lad
I am entering info on ancestors from hard copy Ancestor Charts I received from multiple people.. My question is how to properly enter names like the following examples:
Aubrey de VERE
Mabel of CHESTER
Does the "de" and "of" in the above examples go with the first name or the surname?

de VERE, Aubrey or VERE, Aubrey de?

of CHESTER, Mabel or CHESTER, Mabel of?

Also, I have a question on merging. I have many people that I have entered twice, so when merging the two identical entries I end up with multiple dates for Birth, Death and Family, etc. Do I have to manually go to each person to remove these duplicate entries or is there an easier way?

Thank you


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Re: Entering names

Tony Hacche
> Does the "de" and "of" in the above examples go with the first
> name or the surname?
>
> de VERE, Aubrey or VERE, Aubrey de?
>
> of CHESTER, Mabel or CHESTER, Mabel of?

The surname section in the person dialogue box has a "prefix" box. You use that.

> Also, I have a question on merging. I have many people that I have
> entered twice, so when merging the two identical entries I end up
> with multiple dates for Birth, Death and Family, etc. Do I have to
> manually go to each person to remove these duplicate entries or is
> there an easier way?

I don't have any first-hand experience with this (yet) but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere (wiki or mailing list) that the answer is yes.

Tony

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Re: Entering names

Patrick Gerlier
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Gramps has a very flexible name entry engine. For common cases, the people form is just enough, but complex cases may need to go the "Names" tab and douvle-click on the name to be more specific. See below.

Regards,
Patrick

Le 04/10/2019 à 19:16, Ohio Lad a écrit :
I am entering info on ancestors from hard copy Ancestor Charts I received from multiple people.. My question is how to properly enter names like the following examples:
Aubrey de VERE
Mabel of CHESTER
Does the "de" and "of" in the above examples go with the first name or the surname?

In any case, it is not a part of the first name  (or a first name by itself. It usually looks like a "prefix" explaining how or why the surname was formed. In this example, it is clear that Mabel (or her ancestors) came from Chester.

Then I would enter de/of in "Prefix" and Vere/Chester in the family name.

In more complex cases, like Juan Carlos Borbon y Borbon, I go to the "Names" tab and open a record. Juan Carlos will go into the first name box. The first Borbon can be enterd in the first line of the "table" named "Family name". I click on the + icon to add a second line. "y" goes into the prefix and the second "Borbon" in the name.

The connector column is used in Icelandic-style names where it hosts "son" or "dottir" after the father's name (in Name column).

This specialised Name form handles nicely German-like names like "von Wolfsburg und zu Pfarrdorf": "von Wolfsburg" goes into the first line with "von" prefix and "und zu Pfarrdorf" in the second line with "und zu" as prefix. You are not limited to two lines in case of need.


de VERE, Aubrey or VERE, Aubrey de?

of CHESTER, Mabel or CHESTER, Mabel of?

If you write "de Vere" in the family name box, you consider "de" as part of the name and the person will be sorted under D. With "Aubrey de", "de" is considered a first name and will be recongnised as such from now on. Coding it in a prefix is the right way to go if you want the name to be sorted under V, as is usual with aristocratic names.

Ludwig van Beethoven is commonly found under B, which calls for "van" as a prefix.


Also, I have a question on merging. I have many people that I have entered twice, so when merging the two identical entries I end up with multiple dates for Birth, Death and Family, etc. Do I have to manually go to each person to remove these duplicate entries or is there an easier way?
Can't answer for this one. No experience.

Thank you




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Re: Entering names

enno
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Op 04-10-19 om 19:16 schreef Ohio Lad:
I am entering info on ancestors from hard copy Ancestor Charts I received from multiple people.. My question is how to properly enter names like the following examples:
Aubrey de VERE
Mabel of CHESTER
Does the "de" and "of" in the above examples go with the first name or the surname?

Surname, no doubt about that.

Note that, if you put "de" or "of" or "van der" in the prefix field, some other programs may not read them right from a GEDCOM file exported by Gramps. So, if you exchange data with others a lot, or upload GEDCOMs to sites like Ancestry or Find My Past, I suggest that you don't use that prefix field, but put the prefix in the surname field. This has the extra advantage that "de Vere" and "DeVere" show up much closer in the person view.


Also, I have a question on merging. I have many people that I have entered twice, so when merging the two identical entries I end up with multiple dates for Birth, Death and Family, etc. Do I have to manually go to each person to remove these duplicate entries or is there an easier way?

To my regret, there is no tool for that, yet, so the answer is manually. And to make things worse, you need to edit the family to remove duplicate marriage events.

Regards,

Enno

P.S. Aubrey de Vere, Sheriff of Berkshire is my 25th great grandfather.



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