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External References for places

Jürgen Heiler
I would like to ask the developers to implement external references for places
for the german users like GenWiki or GOV into GRAMPS, even in the narrative
websites.
Regards
Jürgen Heiler
www.heiler-ahnen.de

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Re: External References for places

bm-7
Jurgen,

some more information is needed to know if this is possible.
I suppose you would like to be able to customize the google maps button
to also
retrieve information from other databases?

If so, please specify the exact internet adres.
Like you mention GOV, I suppose you mean
http://gov.genealogy.net/gov/index.jsp

Also, what data of the place interface is most suited for the search. I
suppose
for city search in GOV, not description of the place is usefull but the city
name instead?

Looking at the underlying code, I have the impression that
http://gov.genealogy.net/gov/SearchNameSimple.do?value=Berlin
allows to search for Berlin, although that the code itself works with
sessionsid's which might mean the site does not really want people to search
the database with the value method.
A description on the site that people can link to this plugin, and that
the call
method of the plugin is stable (read: won't change next year) would be
a plus to
make this possible. For some plugins the website must agree to the
extra traffic
a program using their page will generate.

So, please make a feature request on the gramps webpage, with some more
details.

Benny.

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> I would like to ask the developers to implement external references
> for places
> for the german users like GenWiki or GOV into GRAMPS, even in the narrative
> websites.
> Regards
> Jürgen Heiler
> www.heiler-ahnen.de
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Re: External References for places

Jürgen Heiler
Benny,

sorry I am not a specialist in programming, so I do not know every detail you
asked for. But first of all: where can I make a feature request, because the
board is down?

Possible references could be:
1. <http://gov.genealogy.net/gov/SearchNameSimple.do?value=(place)>; otherwise  
you should have to know their proprietary IDs
<http://gov.genealogy.net/gov/ShowObjectSimple.do?id=BERLINJO62PM>

2. <http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/wiki/(place)>

Both websites belong to the "Verein für Computergenealogie". They have a
disclaimer that links have to refer to a complete navigation window.

Regards
Jürgen Heiler



Am Dienstag, 24. Oktober 2006 14:51 schrieb [hidden email]:

> Jurgen,
>
> some more information is needed to know if this is possible.
> I suppose you would like to be able to customize the google maps button
> to also
> retrieve information from other databases?
>
> If so, please specify the exact internet adres.
> Like you mention GOV, I suppose you mean
> http://gov.genealogy.net/gov/index.jsp
>
> Also, what data of the place interface is most suited for the search. I
> suppose
> for city search in GOV, not description of the place is usefull but the
> city name instead?
>
> Looking at the underlying code, I have the impression that
> http://gov.genealogy.net/gov/SearchNameSimple.do?value=Berlin
> allows to search for Berlin, although that the code itself works with
> sessionsid's which might mean the site does not really want people to
> search the database with the value method.
> A description on the site that people can link to this plugin, and that
> the call
> method of the plugin is stable (read: won't change next year) would be
> a plus to
> make this possible. For some plugins the website must agree to the
> extra traffic
> a program using their page will generate.
>
> So, please make a feature request on the gramps webpage, with some more
> details.
>
> Benny.

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Re: External References for places

Dirk Weßner
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Hey guys!

First i want to make a short description about GOV[1] for those who
don't know anything about it: It's a project of the German "Verein für
Computergenealogie"[2]. A database where you can make a search for
different places, especially designed for Genealogists. It's a great
help to get more information about a unique place in Germany and its
former territories.

Every single place has an ID, the so-called "GOV ID" (or "GOV-Kennung"
in German). I think, Jürgen wants to have a field in GRAMPS inside the
place interface where you can save this ID.

@Jürgen: Do you want to have something like the Google Maps Button,
         to use it with GOV? I've got no idea about programming, but
         at least it seems to me, it should be something like this.

It's been a while, there had been some discussions between German
Genealogists about the need for a GOV implementation into GEDCOM,
because GOV is very useful to search German places, not only for Germans
but also for foreign Genealogists. And I think it's not a bad idea to
have GOV supported by _GRAMPS_.

Dirk.


[1] Genealogisches Ortsverzeichnis ("GOV - the genealogical gazeteer")
    http://gov.genealogy.net/gov/Locale.do?language=en&country=uk
[2] http://www.genealogienetz.de/index_en.html


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Re: External References for places

Alex Roitman
Dirk,

Thanks for the information, this is short and clear :-)

On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 17:07 +0200, Dirk Weßner wrote:

> First i want to make a short description about GOV[1] for those who
> don't know anything about it: It's a project of the German "Verein für
> Computergenealogie"[2]. A database where you can make a search for
> different places, especially designed for Genealogists. It's a great
> help to get more information about a unique place in Germany and its
> former territories.
>
> Every single place has an ID, the so-called "GOV ID" (or "GOV-Kennung"
> in German). I think, Jürgen wants to have a field in GRAMPS inside the
> place interface where you can save this ID.
Well, there's always Notes. But then it is hard to manipulate with
programmatically.

> @Jürgen: Do you want to have something like the Google Maps Button,
>          to use it with GOV? I've got no idea about programming, but
>          at least it seems to me, it should be something like this.
>
> It's been a while, there had been some discussions between German
> Genealogists about the need for a GOV implementation into GEDCOM,
> because GOV is very useful to search German places, not only for Germans
> but also for foreign Genealogists. And I think it's not a bad idea to
> have GOV supported by _GRAMPS_.

Do you think that places in GRAMPS should have a GOV ID field?
I am not certain, but I suspect that there are other databases
that have their own IDs for places. Should we support all of them?

Would not you be better served with the URL? Place can have many URL
records, and it is up to you to form URLs with your own type (GOV)
and address:
   http://gov.genealogy.net/gov/ShowObjectSimple.do?id=object_149424

Otherwise, where do we draw the line? I am sure there's plenty
of different ID/Place databases, and we can't hard-code all of them
and have a useful interface.

Alex

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Jürgen Heiler
Dirk, Alex,

I think in most cases you know the places in your own database very well. So
my point is to present those links in my websites tro those, who don't know
those places. It was not too much work, so I implemented the links manually
in Gramps <http://www.heiler-ahnen.de/places.html>. Certainly one complete it
with links to wikis or anything else. Genwiki is very important, because
people can find information where to find any church or civil records.

Regards
Jürgen

Am Dienstag, 24. Oktober 2006 18:56 schrieb Alex Roitman:

> Dirk,
>
> Thanks for the information, this is short and clear :-)
>
> On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 17:07 +0200, Dirk Weßner wrote:
> > First i want to make a short description about GOV[1] for those who
> > don't know anything about it: It's a project of the German "Verein für
> > Computergenealogie"[2]. A database where you can make a search for
> > different places, especially designed for Genealogists. It's a great
> > help to get more information about a unique place in Germany and its
> > former territories.
> >
> > Every single place has an ID, the so-called "GOV ID" (or "GOV-Kennung"
> > in German). I think, Jürgen wants to have a field in GRAMPS inside the
> > place interface where you can save this ID.
>
> Well, there's always Notes. But then it is hard to manipulate with
> programmatically.
>
> > @Jürgen: Do you want to have something like the Google Maps Button,
> >          to use it with GOV? I've got no idea about programming, but
> >          at least it seems to me, it should be something like this.
> >
> > It's been a while, there had been some discussions between German
> > Genealogists about the need for a GOV implementation into GEDCOM,
> > because GOV is very useful to search German places, not only for Germans
> > but also for foreign Genealogists. And I think it's not a bad idea to
> > have GOV supported by _GRAMPS_.
>
> Do you think that places in GRAMPS should have a GOV ID field?
> I am not certain, but I suspect that there are other databases
> that have their own IDs for places. Should we support all of them?
>
> Would not you be better served with the URL? Place can have many URL
> records, and it is up to you to form URLs with your own type (GOV)
> and address:
>    http://gov.genealogy.net/gov/ShowObjectSimple.do?id=object_149424
>
> Otherwise, where do we draw the line? I am sure there's plenty
> of different ID/Place databases, and we can't hard-code all of them
> and have a useful interface.
>
> Alex

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