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FYI. Looks like there will an unconference meeting at Rootstech this
week on this new organization. I hope all at RootsTech will let us know about what you have seen that is interesting. -Doug ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wikispaces <[hidden email]> Date: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:05 PM Subject: Wikispaces Message: Major BetterGEDCOM Announcement To: [hidden email] Andy_Hatchett, a member of Wikispaces, has sent you a message. Please do not reply to this email. To respond, follow the link below to view the message in your browser. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Family History Information Standards Organisation (FHISO) New standards-setting organisation formed to support Family History and Genealogy Salt Lake City, Utah, USA — Wednesday, February 1, 2012 — FHISO (http://fhiso.org) is a newly-formed international organisation created to develop standards for the digital representation and sharing of family history and genealogical information. The standards will solve today’s interoperability issues independently of technology platforms, genealogy products or services. They will provide opportunities for innovation and will address robust user requirements such as search, capture and research administration. In the fall of 2010, a group of dedicated technologists and users formed the “Build a BetterGEDCOM Project” to improve data exchange standards and to facilitate sharing between researchers. This grassroots effort has grown into a dynamic, open forum for the exchange of ideas, and a substantial body of work has been produced. In order to realise the project goals, a more structured, organised environment was needed. FHISO will provide this environment. The FHISO process will identify practices and trends that require standardisation. It will provide a transparent, collaborative environment promoting innovation and consensus-building for the development of open standards. Following publication, the organisation will provide education and other support to encourage standards adoption and use. The FHISO standards will be publicly available at zero or minimal cost on a non-discriminatory basis. Anyone will be able to implement the standards for any purpose without royalty or license fees. FHISO will be community-owned. Membership is available to all who participate in the global family history and genealogical community. The success of FHISO depends on the voluntary participation of its members representing all the global stakeholder groups. In the standards-setting process, there is no substitute for the active involvement of vendors, developers, technologists, users and family history or genealogy organisations. For more information, visit FHISO on the Web at http://fhiso.org. Follow us on twitter @fhisorg ; http://facebook.org/fhiso ; http://goo.gl/FsYa5 on Google+. CONTACT: Anthony C. Proctor, FHISO Media Relations ([hidden email]) Robert M. Burkhead, FHISO Acting Chair ([hidden email]) Andrew G. Hatchett III, FHISO Acting Secretary ([hidden email]) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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Based upon the information that Doug has given to us in this email, would it be wise and prudent to postpone the release of Gramps-3.4.0 so that this BetterGEDCOM or GedcomX can be stabilized and incorporated into Gramps??? In six months or so, we could release Gramps-4.0.0/ BetterGEDCOM supported. The delay could be attributed to the release of BetterGEDCOM from FamilySearch the progenitor of GEDCOM... This is just an idea. I do NOT mean to infuriate anybody... Sincerely yours, Rob G. Healey On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Doug Blank <[hidden email]> wrote: FYI. Looks like there will an unconference meeting at Rootstech this -- Sincerely yours, Rob G. Healey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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2012/2/2 Rob Healey <[hidden email]>:
> Greetings: > > Based upon the information that Doug has given to us in this email, would it > be wise and prudent to postpone the release of Gramps-3.4.0 so that this > BetterGEDCOM or GedcomX can be stabilized and incorporated into Gramps??? No. Standards don't go that fast. Benny > > In six months or so, we could release Gramps-4.0.0/ BetterGEDCOM supported. > The delay could be attributed to the release of BetterGEDCOM from > FamilySearch the progenitor of GEDCOM... > > This is just an idea. I do NOT mean to infuriate anybody... > > Sincerely yours, > Rob G. Healey > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Doug Blank <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> FYI. Looks like there will an unconference meeting at Rootstech this >> week on this new organization. >> >> I hope all at RootsTech will let us know about what you have seen that >> is interesting. >> >> -Doug >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Wikispaces <[hidden email]> >> Date: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:05 PM >> Subject: Wikispaces Message: Major BetterGEDCOM Announcement >> To: [hidden email] >> >> >> Andy_Hatchett, a member of Wikispaces, has sent you a message. Please >> do not reply to this email. To respond, follow the link below to view >> the message in your browser. >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >> >> Family History Information Standards Organisation (FHISO) >> New standards-setting organisation formed to support Family History >> and Genealogy >> >> Salt Lake City, Utah, USA — Wednesday, February 1, 2012 — FHISO >> (http://fhiso.org) is a newly-formed international organisation >> created to develop standards for the digital representation and >> sharing of family history and genealogical information. The standards >> will solve today’s interoperability issues independently of technology >> platforms, genealogy products or services. They will provide >> opportunities for innovation and will address robust user requirements >> such as search, capture and research administration. >> >> In the fall of 2010, a group of dedicated technologists and users >> formed the “Build a BetterGEDCOM Project” to improve data exchange >> standards and to facilitate sharing between researchers. This >> grassroots effort has grown into a dynamic, open forum for the >> exchange of ideas, and a substantial body of work has been produced. >> In order to realise the project goals, a more structured, organised >> environment was needed. FHISO will provide this environment. >> >> The FHISO process will identify practices and trends that require >> standardisation. It will provide a transparent, collaborative >> environment promoting innovation and consensus-building for the >> development of open standards. Following publication, the organisation >> will provide education and other support to encourage standards >> adoption and use. The FHISO standards will be publicly available at >> zero or minimal cost on a non-discriminatory basis. Anyone will be >> able to implement the standards for any purpose without royalty or >> license fees. >> >> FHISO will be community-owned. Membership is available to all who >> participate in the global family history and genealogical community. >> >> The success of FHISO depends on the voluntary participation of its >> members representing all the global stakeholder groups. In the >> standards-setting process, there is no substitute for the active >> involvement of vendors, developers, technologists, users and family >> history or genealogy organisations. >> >> For more information, visit FHISO on the Web at http://fhiso.org. >> Follow us on twitter @fhisorg ; http://facebook.org/fhiso ; >> http://goo.gl/FsYa5 on Google+. >> CONTACT: >> Anthony C. Proctor, FHISO Media Relations ([hidden email]) >> Robert M. Burkhead, FHISO Acting Chair ([hidden email]) >> Andrew G. Hatchett III, FHISO Acting Secretary ([hidden email]) >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! >> The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers >> is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, >> Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d >> _______________________________________________ >> Gramps-devel mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > > > > > -- > Sincerely yours, > Rob G. Healey > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, > Metro Style Apps, more. 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I assume we can also create a set of import/export plugins after release and to provide it as an addon. ;) Jérôme --- En date de : Jeu 2.2.12, Rob Healey <[hidden email]> a écrit : De: Rob Healey <[hidden email]> Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] Fwd: Wikispaces Message: Major BetterGEDCOM Announcement À: "Doug Blank" <[hidden email]>, "Gramps Development List" <[hidden email]> Date: Jeudi 2 février 2012, 9h44 Greetings: Based upon the information that Doug has given to us in this email, would it be wise and prudent to postpone the release of Gramps-3.4.0 so that this BetterGEDCOM or GedcomX can be stabilized and incorporated into Gramps??? In six months or so, we could release Gramps-4.0.0/ BetterGEDCOM supported. The delay could be attributed to the release of BetterGEDCOM from FamilySearch the progenitor of GEDCOM... This is just an idea. I do NOT mean to infuriate anybody... Sincerely yours, Rob G. Healey On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Doug Blank <[hidden email]> wrote: FYI. Looks like there will an unconference meeting at Rootstech this week on this new organization. I hope all at RootsTech will let us know about what you have seen that is interesting. -Doug ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wikispaces <[hidden email]> Date: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:05 PM Subject: Wikispaces Message: Major BetterGEDCOM Announcement To: [hidden email] Andy_Hatchett, a member of Wikispaces, has sent you a message. Please do not reply to this email. To respond, follow the link below to view the message in your browser. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Family History Information Standards Organisation (FHISO) New standards-setting organisation formed to support Family History and Genealogy Salt Lake City, Utah, USA — Wednesday, February 1, 2012 — FHISO (http://fhiso.org) is a newly-formed international organisation created to develop standards for the digital representation and sharing of family history and genealogical information. The standards will solve today’s interoperability issues independently of technology platforms, genealogy products or services. They will provide opportunities for innovation and will address robust user requirements such as search, capture and research administration. In the fall of 2010, a group of dedicated technologists and users formed the “Build a BetterGEDCOM Project” to improve data exchange standards and to facilitate sharing between researchers. This grassroots effort has grown into a dynamic, open forum for the exchange of ideas, and a substantial body of work has been produced. In order to realise the project goals, a more structured, organised environment was needed. FHISO will provide this environment. The FHISO process will identify practices and trends that require standardisation. It will provide a transparent, collaborative environment promoting innovation and consensus-building for the development of open standards. Following publication, the organisation will provide education and other support to encourage standards adoption and use. The FHISO standards will be publicly available at zero or minimal cost on a non-discriminatory basis. Anyone will be able to implement the standards for any purpose without royalty or license fees. FHISO will be community-owned. Membership is available to all who participate in the global family history and genealogical community. The success of FHISO depends on the voluntary participation of its members representing all the global stakeholder groups. In the standards-setting process, there is no substitute for the active involvement of vendors, developers, technologists, users and family history or genealogy organisations. For more information, visit FHISO on the Web at http://fhiso.org. Follow us on twitter @fhisorg ; http://facebook.org/fhiso ; http://goo.gl/FsYa5 on Google+. CONTACT: Anthony C. Proctor, FHISO Media Relations ([hidden email]) Robert M. 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On Feb 2, 2012, at 2:06 AM, Benny Malengier wrote: > 2012/2/2 Rob Healey <[hidden email]>: >> Greetings: >> >> Based upon the information that Doug has given to us in this email, would it >> be wise and prudent to postpone the release of Gramps-3.4.0 so that this >> BetterGEDCOM or GedcomX can be stabilized and incorporated into Gramps??? > > No. > Standards don't go that fast. And that's when they're actual standards. There's no evidence that anyone other than the BetterGEDCOM talking shop folks are interested in "FHISO". Unless FamilySearch, Ancestry, brightsolid, and other large vendors get on board it's going nowhere. The first GedcomX presentation is in 3 hours, and I'll report on who's involved in it afterwards - but the same applies there: Unless the big genealogy vendors get involved it's going nowhere. No need to get excited about this anytime soon. Regards, John Ralls ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:24 AM, John Ralls wrote: > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 2:06 AM, Benny Malengier wrote: > >> 2012/2/2 Rob Healey <[hidden email]>: >>> Greetings: >>> >>> Based upon the information that Doug has given to us in this email, would it >>> be wise and prudent to postpone the release of Gramps-3.4.0 so that this >>> BetterGEDCOM or GedcomX can be stabilized and incorporated into Gramps??? >> >> No. >> Standards don't go that fast. > > And that's when they're actual standards. There's no evidence that anyone other than the BetterGEDCOM talking shop folks are interested in "FHISO". Unless FamilySearch, Ancestry, brightsolid, and other large vendors get on board it's going nowhere. The first GedcomX presentation is in 3 hours, and I'll report on who's involved in it afterwards - but the same applies there: Unless the big genealogy vendors get involved it's going nowhere. > > No need to get excited about this anytime soon. The first GedcomX session finished. This is the non-technical, what they're trying to accomplish session. It's the Family Search official successor to GEDCOM, with an FS Marketing Dept. Project manager. First off, four websites with details: http://gedcomx.net http://gedcomx.org http://github.com/FamilySearch/gedcomx https://gedcom.ci.cloudbees.com Second, Hattie emphasized that this is still somewhat preliminary. They have working code and FS is using some of it in their backends, but there are still plenty of bits that aren't fully realized. You can get the technical details far better from those websites than from anything I could summarize from the lecture. One other thing: Several users stood up at the end and said how much they want this function in their software. Regards, John Ralls ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:10 PM, John Ralls <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:24 AM, John Ralls wrote: > >> >> On Feb 2, 2012, at 2:06 AM, Benny Malengier wrote: >> >>> 2012/2/2 Rob Healey <[hidden email]>: >>>> Greetings: >>>> >>>> Based upon the information that Doug has given to us in this email, would it >>>> be wise and prudent to postpone the release of Gramps-3.4.0 so that this >>>> BetterGEDCOM or GedcomX can be stabilized and incorporated into Gramps??? >>> >>> No. >>> Standards don't go that fast. >> >> And that's when they're actual standards. There's no evidence that anyone other than the BetterGEDCOM talking shop folks are interested in "FHISO". Unless FamilySearch, Ancestry, brightsolid, and other large vendors get on board it's going nowhere. The first GedcomX presentation is in 3 hours, and I'll report on who's involved in it afterwards - but the same applies there: Unless the big genealogy vendors get involved it's going nowhere. >> >> No need to get excited about this anytime soon. > > The first GedcomX session finished. This is the non-technical, what they're trying to accomplish session. > > It's the Family Search official successor to GEDCOM, with an FS Marketing Dept. Project manager. > > First off, four websites with details: > http://gedcomx.net > http://gedcomx.org > http://github.com/FamilySearch/gedcomx > https://gedcom.ci.cloudbees.com > > Second, Hattie emphasized that this is still somewhat preliminary. They have working code and FS is using some of it in their backends, but there are still plenty of bits that aren't fully realized. > > You can get the technical details far better from those websites than from anything I could summarize from the lecture. > > One other thing: Several users stood up at the end and said how much they want this function in their software. Thanks John! Here is the first sighting I have seen of an actual file format: http://www.gedcomx.org/File-Format.html Looks interesting! -Doug > Regards, > John Ralls > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, > Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-devel mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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2012/2/2 Doug Blank <[hidden email]>:
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:10 PM, John Ralls <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:24 AM, John Ralls wrote: >> >>> >>> On Feb 2, 2012, at 2:06 AM, Benny Malengier wrote: >>> >>>> 2012/2/2 Rob Healey <[hidden email]>: >>>>> Greetings: >>>>> >>>>> Based upon the information that Doug has given to us in this email, would it >>>>> be wise and prudent to postpone the release of Gramps-3.4.0 so that this >>>>> BetterGEDCOM or GedcomX can be stabilized and incorporated into Gramps??? >>>> >>>> No. >>>> Standards don't go that fast. >>> >>> And that's when they're actual standards. There's no evidence that anyone other than the BetterGEDCOM talking shop folks are interested in "FHISO". Unless FamilySearch, Ancestry, brightsolid, and other large vendors get on board it's going nowhere. The first GedcomX presentation is in 3 hours, and I'll report on who's involved in it afterwards - but the same applies there: Unless the big genealogy vendors get involved it's going nowhere. >>> >>> No need to get excited about this anytime soon. >> >> The first GedcomX session finished. This is the non-technical, what they're trying to accomplish session. >> >> It's the Family Search official successor to GEDCOM, with an FS Marketing Dept. Project manager. >> >> First off, four websites with details: >> http://gedcomx.net >> http://gedcomx.org >> http://github.com/FamilySearch/gedcomx >> https://gedcom.ci.cloudbees.com >> >> Second, Hattie emphasized that this is still somewhat preliminary. They have working code and FS is using some of it in their backends, but there are still plenty of bits that aren't fully realized. >> >> You can get the technical details far better from those websites than from anything I could summarize from the lecture. >> >> One other thing: Several users stood up at the end and said how much they want this function in their software. > > Thanks John! > > Here is the first sighting I have seen of an actual file format: > > http://www.gedcomx.org/File-Format.html > > Looks interesting! Hmm, That 'persistentId' does not look very nice. Also, embedded binary data of pictures? Why not a zip filetype? Do we really want the binary data mixed in? The id's they give do seem long enough, id="37d25f3d-1323-4686-9913-c336b27d8d16" :-D For the relationship: <relationship id="31a945bc-3185-41d6-b90d-ba035a13fb6f" type="gx:Couple" xmlns="http://gedcomx.org/conclusion/v1" xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" xmlns:gx="http://gedcomx.org/"> <!-- relationship coupling Alma and Marie --> <person1 rdf:resource="cid:32da4363-0c38-4d65-92dc-f5209d35f91b"/> <person2 rdf:resource="cid:37d25f3d-1323-4686-9913-c336b27d8d16"/> </relationship> Ok, it should not be too difficult to produce something like that, but we need good info: The id, cid...., can we generate this from gramps handle? Quite some bloat also in that xml format stuf. Perhaps only for the example. I would think that quite some work remains. Benny > > -Doug > >> Regards, >> John Ralls >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! >> The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers >> is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, >> Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d >> _______________________________________________ >> Gramps-devel mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, > Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-devel mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:09 AM, jerome <[hidden email]> wrote: Rob, I agree that we could provide an import/ export plugins... Sincerely yours, Rob G. Healey
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On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Benny Malengier wrote: > > Hmm, > > That 'persistentId' does not look very nice. > Also, embedded binary data of pictures? Why not a zip filetype? Do we > really want the binary data mixed in? > > The id's they give do seem long enough, > id="37d25f3d-1323-4686-9913-c336b27d8d16" :-D > > For the relationship: > <relationship id="31a945bc-3185-41d6-b90d-ba035a13fb6f" type="gx:Couple" > xmlns="http://gedcomx.org/conclusion/v1" > xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" > xmlns:gx="http://gedcomx.org/"> > <!-- relationship coupling Alma and Marie --> > <person1 rdf:resource="cid:32da4363-0c38-4d65-92dc-f5209d35f91b"/> > <person2 rdf:resource="cid:37d25f3d-1323-4686-9913-c336b27d8d16"/> > </relationship> > > Ok, it should not be too difficult to produce something like that, but > we need good info: > > The id, cid...., can we generate this from gramps handle? > > Quite some bloat also in that xml format stuf. Perhaps only for the example. > > I would think that quite some work remains. Yes, Heaton said repeatedly that it's still a work in progress and actively solicited participation. He's also really keen on open source, and I think he'd like our participation. They're using Github Issues for most public interaction, so if after studying the docs and existing issues you still have questions or objections, file an issue of your own. The id structure should be documented somewhere, but it's kind of a truncated GUID without the random bit: A timestamp, the MAC address, and a serial number. Maybe there was a type code in there... the format didn't make it into my notes. It's intended to be unique only in the dataset, not globally. Just as with Gramps databases, media can be embedded or referenced. If you do the latter, you use an RDF descriptor. If the former, base64. ISTM that's appropriate for an interchange standard. Implementations need not emit both, but they should be able to read both. The cid: namespace is part of RDF, and the pointers are to other GenealogyResource objects inside the file. PersistentId is supposed to be a special sort of URI that deals with problems like disappearing or changing websites. Still a bit conceptual, there's a session on Saturday about FamilySearch's ideas about how to deal with it. Regards, John Ralls ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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The values they are using for id are GUIDs See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guid The python uuid module can produce those. >>> import uuid >>> uuid.uuid1() UUID('9e6414aa-4e3f-11e1-a21d-002275d83942') Bye Gary
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On Feb 3, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Gary Burton wrote:
That's not how Heaton described it in the lecture yesterday... but it seems from the reference implementation that the id is just a string; the unit tests use ordinary names (e.g. "persona-id", "fact-1-id"). Since the only requirement for id is that it be unique in the data file, I guess we could just use a serialized Gramps handle. If I see Heaton today I'll ask him about it. Regards, John Ralls ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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On Feb 3, 2012, at 7:56 AM, John Ralls wrote:
I did, and he confirmed that it's an arbitrary string, the only requirement is that it's unique for the file. A serialized Gramps handle will be fine. Regards, John Ralls ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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