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How to record lastname changes resulting from e.g. acknowledgement or adoption.

John W. Kitz-3
All,

Lately I've come across several children whose births were registered in the
Civil Status Registry using the last name of the mother. At some later point
in time (in some cases a couple of months, in some years later) the children
were 'acknowledged' when the mother married, at which time the last name of
the child changes to that of the man to which the mother marries.

Since such name changes are typically recorded in a register of certificates
of acknowledgement, as part of the Civil Status Registry of the relevant
municipality, so far I've entered those children in Gramps using their 'most
recent' last names and a custom 'acknowledgement' event to be able to log
the associated date and refer to the relevant register and certificate of
acknowledgement.

Any suggestion on how to record the name change from e.g. Missy Able
(immediately after birth) to Missy Baker (following her acknowledgement by
the man to whom the mother of the child married) appreciated?

Regards, Jk.


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Re: How to record lastname changes resulting from e.g. acknowledgement or adoption.

Dave Scheipers
Hi John,

Use the name editor and add the multiple names. In the person's edit
screen, select the Names tab and add all the various names with their
type. In the name editor you can attach dates, sources and notes in
support. Drag-n-drop the name most known by or relevant into the
preferred name slot. I've added Adoptive Name, Legal Name, Baptism
Name, Title, and Rank to the standard types. Of course, these custom
types do not have translations. I make the distinction between Legal
and Adoptive. Adoptive (while often also legal) takes place with a
child taking another man as a father. Legal would be an adult going to
the courts to legally change their name. Also Known As I treat as a
name used by custom or practice which is not legally sanctioned.

I'm still editing all my database names taking all the additions off
the Birth Name entries and adding all the permutations that I've come
across. Babies are not born with the Title 'Major' or as a 'Sr' The
one thing I do not do is log a female's married name unless they use a
hyphenated name. The assumption is that they have taken their
husband's name. Maybe if I have nothing else to do, I'll add all the
various married names.

I hope this helps, and have a great weekend, Dave

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 5:02 PM, John W. Kitz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> All,
>
> Lately I've come across several children whose births were registered in the
> Civil Status Registry using the last name of the mother. At some later point
> in time (in some cases a couple of months, in some years later) the children
> were 'acknowledged' when the mother married, at which time the last name of
> the child changes to that of the man to which the mother marries.
>
> Since such name changes are typically recorded in a register of certificates
> of acknowledgement, as part of the Civil Status Registry of the relevant
> municipality, so far I've entered those children in Gramps using their 'most
> recent' last names and a custom 'acknowledgement' event to be able to log
> the associated date and refer to the relevant register and certificate of
> acknowledgement.
>
> Any suggestion on how to record the name change from e.g. Missy Able
> (immediately after birth) to Missy Baker (following her acknowledgement by
> the man to whom the mother of the child married) appreciated?
>
> Regards, Jk.
>
>
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Re: How to record lastname changes resulting from e.g. acknowledgement or adoption.

John W. Kitz-3
Hi Dave,

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

On 2017-11-25 00:03, Dave Scheipers wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Use the name editor and add the multiple names. In the person's edit
> screen, select the Names tab and add all the various names with their
> type.

Funny, I have used the name editor multiple times already to add
patronymic names, but hadn't thought of using it for this. I have now
reworked the names of the individuals that were given the last name of
the mother at birth and the name of the father at the time of her
marriage.

> In the name editor you can attach dates, sources and notes in
> support.

For the time being I prefer to attach any supporting evidence to events,
such as those for birth, acknowledgement, etc.

> Drag-n-drop the name most known by or relevant into the
> preferred name slot. I've added Adoptive Name, Legal Name, Baptism
> Name, Title, and Rank to the standard types.

For what it's worth; for the time being and until such time that I see a
need to change that, I've recorded military ranks and promotions through
events of the type Military Service, like so:

Military      Enlisted in the Dutch Marine Corps for six years in the
Service       rank of Marine 3rd Class, 1822-07-16.

or so:

Military      Promoted to the rank of Marine 2nd Class,
Service       1826-06-14.

As an aside I do think there is some minor room for improvement in the
way such events are printed on the CIR (see
https://gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=10251).

> Of course, these custom
> types do not have translations. I make the distinction between Legal
> and Adoptive. Adoptive (while often also legal) takes place with a
> child taking another man as a father. Legal would be an adult going to
> the courts to legally change their name. Also Known As I treat as a
> name used by custom or practice which is not legally sanctioned.
>
> I'm still editing all my database names taking all the additions off
> the Birth Name entries and adding all the permutations that I've come
> across. Babies are not born with the Title 'Major' or as a 'Sr' The
> one thing I do not do is log a female's married name unless they use a
> hyphenated name. The assumption is that they have taken their
> husband's name.

I think in The Netherlands, particularly in more recent decades it is
quite common for married women to use the hyphenated form of the last
name, that is <first name(s)>
<husband's-last-name>-<women's-maiden-name>

> Maybe if I have nothing else to do, I'll add all the
> various married names.
>
> I hope this helps, and have a great weekend, Dave

Thanks, the same to you, regards, Jk.

>
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 5:02 PM, wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> Lately I've come across several children whose births were registered
>> in the
>> Civil Status Registry using the last name of the mother. At some later
>> point
>> in time (in some cases a couple of months, in some years later) the
>> children
>> were 'acknowledged' when the mother married, at which time the last
>> name of
>> the child changes to that of the man to which the mother marries.
>>
>> Since such name changes are typically recorded in a register of
>> certificates
>> of acknowledgement, as part of the Civil Status Registry of the
>> relevant
>> municipality, so far I've entered those children in Gramps using their
>> 'most
>> recent' last names and a custom 'acknowledgement' event to be able to
>> log
>> the associated date and refer to the relevant register and certificate
>> of
>> acknowledgement.
>>
>> Any suggestion on how to record the name change from e.g. Missy Able
>> (immediately after birth) to Missy Baker (following her
>> acknowledgement by
>> the man to whom the mother of the child married) appreciated?
>>
>> Regards, Jk.

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Re: How to record lastname changes resulting from e.g. acknowledgement or adoption.

Dave Scheipers
Glade I could help remind you of the options Gramps offers.

One of the reasons I have really grown to love Gramps is that there is
no one way of doing things and the program allows each of us to find
ways to record the information we find about our relatives.

Continue having a great weekend, Dave

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 4:09 PM, John W. Kitz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to respond.
>
> On 2017-11-25 00:03, Dave Scheipers wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Use the name editor and add the multiple names. In the person's edit
>> screen, select the Names tab and add all the various names with their
>> type.
>
>
> Funny, I have used the name editor multiple times already to add patronymic
> names, but hadn't thought of using it for this. I have now reworked the
> names of the individuals that were given the last name of the mother at
> birth and the name of the father at the time of her marriage.
>
>> In the name editor you can attach dates, sources and notes in
>> support.
>
>
> For the time being I prefer to attach any supporting evidence to events,
> such as those for birth, acknowledgement, etc.
>
>> Drag-n-drop the name most known by or relevant into the
>> preferred name slot. I've added Adoptive Name, Legal Name, Baptism
>> Name, Title, and Rank to the standard types.
>
>
> For what it's worth; for the time being and until such time that I see a
> need to change that, I've recorded military ranks and promotions through
> events of the type Military Service, like so:
>
> Military      Enlisted in the Dutch Marine Corps for six years in the
> Service       rank of Marine 3rd Class, 1822-07-16.
>
> or so:
>
> Military      Promoted to the rank of Marine 2nd Class,
> Service       1826-06-14.
>
> As an aside I do think there is some minor room for improvement in the way
> such events are printed on the CIR (see
> https://gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=10251).
>
>> Of course, these custom
>> types do not have translations. I make the distinction between Legal
>> and Adoptive. Adoptive (while often also legal) takes place with a
>> child taking another man as a father. Legal would be an adult going to
>> the courts to legally change their name. Also Known As I treat as a
>> name used by custom or practice which is not legally sanctioned.
>>
>> I'm still editing all my database names taking all the additions off
>> the Birth Name entries and adding all the permutations that I've come
>> across. Babies are not born with the Title 'Major' or as a 'Sr' The
>> one thing I do not do is log a female's married name unless they use a
>> hyphenated name. The assumption is that they have taken their
>> husband's name.
>
>
> I think in The Netherlands, particularly in more recent decades it is quite
> common for married women to use the hyphenated form of the last name, that
> is <first name(s)> <husband's-last-name>-<women's-maiden-name>
>
>> Maybe if I have nothing else to do, I'll add all the
>> various married names.
>>
>> I hope this helps, and have a great weekend, Dave
>
>
> Thanks, the same to you, regards, Jk.
>
>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 5:02 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Lately I've come across several children whose births were registered in
>>> the
>>> Civil Status Registry using the last name of the mother. At some later
>>> point
>>> in time (in some cases a couple of months, in some years later) the
>>> children
>>> were 'acknowledged' when the mother married, at which time the last name
>>> of
>>> the child changes to that of the man to which the mother marries.
>>>
>>> Since such name changes are typically recorded in a register of
>>> certificates
>>> of acknowledgement, as part of the Civil Status Registry of the relevant
>>> municipality, so far I've entered those children in Gramps using their
>>> 'most
>>> recent' last names and a custom 'acknowledgement' event to be able to log
>>> the associated date and refer to the relevant register and certificate of
>>> acknowledgement.
>>>
>>> Any suggestion on how to record the name change from e.g. Missy Able
>>> (immediately after birth) to Missy Baker (following her acknowledgement
>>> by
>>> the man to whom the mother of the child married) appreciated?
>>>
>>> Regards, Jk.
>
>
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