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1) I will definitely post once I’ve completed the ability to write the Enclosed Hierarchy into Gramps.  

2) I’m not sure whether GeoFinder would require the full Python install or App Store install for Windows (I don’t recall which I used).  If you’re already running Gramps, there’s a reasonable chance you already have the right Python, although GeoFinder requires Python 3.6 or higher and Gramps may work with older versions of Python.

3) In terms of the format for the places - GeoFinder will first try a lookup assuming the name is in town,<county>, state/province, country format (with county optional).   GeoFinder will also try alternate orders.  It will then present a list sorted by best match and you can click on the selection you want.  For example, the following results will be displayed depending on how Boston is entered:

Boston, Massachusetts, USA -  One match- Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA
Boston, Massachusetts - One match - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA
Boston, , Massachusetts -  One match -  Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA

Boston, USA - 20 matches Massachusetts, USA - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.
Boston, ,USA -  20 matches Massachusetts, USA - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.

Boston    - 20 matches in multiple states and countries.  You can click on the one you want.  Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.
Bos*, Massachusetts  - 20 matches.   Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is listed first
massachusetts, boston, USA - 20 matches.  Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.

On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:

Mikeh, regarding your Geofinder utility, please post in this thread when it is released. Which version of python do we need (Windows 10), full or one of the smaller packages? There are 3 others, the smallest being meant to embed into a larger application. Also, the user guide for Geofinder says ideally the places are in hierarchy form. Does that mean the "enclosed" feature has been used before creating the xml file or will it recognize "city, county, state" as a hierarchy? I'm working with OpenRefine successfully, but it's a long process with over 10,000 rows of data and multiple places with the same name.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 5:31 PM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
I’m working on a Place Cleanup utility that may help.  It currently outputs a place as “city, county, state/prov, country” but I plan to add the ability to split that to separate place objects for Gramps.  It should take me about a week to add that.

To use the utility, you do an XML export from Gramps, the utility then goes through the Places and suggests fixes, then you do XML import back to Gramps.

For more details:  


Features:

  • Rich global place name database from geonames.org optimized for Genealogy including cemeteries, historic locations, and religious locations.
  • Designed for correcting large files. Keeps track of your progress.
  • Adds missing information such as missing state/province, county, or country.
  • Standardizes place names
  • The original file is never touched. When you are ready with your fixes, you can generate a separate file for import to your Gedcom or Gramps software
  • Adds latitude/longitude
  • Wildcard search of place database
  • Phonetic search of place database
  • Advanced search of place database by type (e.g. cemeteries or churches)
  • Highlights locations where the event date is before European settlement (only supported for the US and Canada, only for GEDCOM files, not Gramps XML)

On Oct 17, 2019, at 11:33 AM, StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:

You can use any code you like, its just for your help to sort where the different places belong...

Just remember, you can if you are doing something you think are "stupid", just create a new project and start over... you are not working in the actual csv file...
And it can also be that the redo history have all you need to go back...

You need to export a new CSV when you are finished...

I think I must have started over atleast a 100 times now... doing something wrong...

jaran

tor. 17. okt. 2019 kl. 18:21 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Thanks, Jaran. Am I understanding correctly that I should browes all the rows and add country code on each row that has no ID because of the separation I did to begin with? If so, wouldn't it be better, for example, to use the code US-MA instead of just USA?



On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 9:06 AM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
@Connie,The best thing to do is just to add a ISO country code in the "Code" field for those until you are finished, then you have one extra field you can use Facets.
you can use multiple Facets, Text filter and other search function for multiple columns at the same time... its like a search Col1= 1 and Col2=Essex and Col3=USA

If you have "Sort" on any column in Openrefine, you can remove that by clicking on the little arrow on the right of "Sort" in the menu over the field names, this will reset the table as it was before you sorted it, with the split records under there "original" names...

Jaran


tor. 17. okt. 2019 kl. 14:31 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Good morning, Tony. That tool is not there. I asked Google about it and was lead to a post of yours that said it doesn't work in v5 and wondered you should revert back to v4 when it was available and worked. I should also mention, I have no titles to break into pieces. I don't know where to see titles within gramps either. I only know this from exporting a csv. When I create a place there is no title field. It appears the title is automatically generated after a hierarchy is built. I know this because I have a title showing in the csv file for the place I created a hierarchy for. So, even if the Generate Hierarchy tool was there in my version, it has nothing to create it from. 

I spent some time yesterday learning to use Open Refine and that seems my best option. (Thank you, Jaran (StoltHD) The most difficult part is not making the mistake of treating the wrong same names as if they were actually the same place. A good example is Essex county. The US has 4, Canada and England each have 1. 
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 Great. One potential problem though...many of the event records I find only show county and state. If it can give the right choice among choices, no problem. My home town is a good example of a problem if it doesn't list just county and state as a choice. Kalamazoo is both a city and a county. So, if the record is for Kalamazoo County, MI then I enter that. Before now, I hadn't been entering country for the US, only for other countries. So, I am using OpenRefine to enclose all US states within the US. I created the place in Gramps then use the Geo ID. It sounds like that will help with your tool. Thanks. I wish I had your talent to offer the group.


On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:28 PM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
1) I will definitely post once I’ve completed the ability to write the Enclosed Hierarchy into Gramps.  

2) I’m not sure whether GeoFinder would require the full Python install or App Store install for Windows (I don’t recall which I used).  If you’re already running Gramps, there’s a reasonable chance you already have the right Python, although GeoFinder requires Python 3.6 or higher and Gramps may work with older versions of Python.

3) In terms of the format for the places - GeoFinder will first try a lookup assuming the name is in town,<county>, state/province, country format (with county optional).   GeoFinder will also try alternate orders.  It will then present a list sorted by best match and you can click on the selection you want.  For example, the following results will be displayed depending on how Boston is entered:

Boston, Massachusetts, USA -  One match- Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA
Boston, Massachusetts - One match - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA
Boston, , Massachusetts -  One match -  Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA

Boston, USA - 20 matches Massachusetts, USA - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.
Boston, ,USA -  20 matches Massachusetts, USA - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.

Boston    - 20 matches in multiple states and countries.  You can click on the one you want.  Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.
Bos*, Massachusetts  - 20 matches.   Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is listed first
massachusetts, boston, USA - 20 matches.  Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.

On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:

Mikeh, regarding your Geofinder utility, please post in this thread when it is released. Which version of python do we need (Windows 10), full or one of the smaller packages? There are 3 others, the smallest being meant to embed into a larger application. Also, the user guide for Geofinder says ideally the places are in hierarchy form. Does that mean the "enclosed" feature has been used before creating the xml file or will it recognize "city, county, state" as a hierarchy? I'm working with OpenRefine successfully, but it's a long process with over 10,000 rows of data and multiple places with the same name.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 5:31 PM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
I’m working on a Place Cleanup utility that may help.  It currently outputs a place as “city, county, state/prov, country” but I plan to add the ability to split that to separate place objects for Gramps.  It should take me about a week to add that.

To use the utility, you do an XML export from Gramps, the utility then goes through the Places and suggests fixes, then you do XML import back to Gramps.

For more details:  


Features:

  • Rich global place name database from geonames.org optimized for Genealogy including cemeteries, historic locations, and religious locations.
  • Designed for correcting large files. Keeps track of your progress.
  • Adds missing information such as missing state/province, county, or country.
  • Standardizes place names
  • The original file is never touched. When you are ready with your fixes, you can generate a separate file for import to your Gedcom or Gramps software
  • Adds latitude/longitude
  • Wildcard search of place database
  • Phonetic search of place database
  • Advanced search of place database by type (e.g. cemeteries or churches)
  • Highlights locations where the event date is before European settlement (only supported for the US and Canada, only for GEDCOM files, not Gramps XML)

On Oct 17, 2019, at 11:33 AM, StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:

You can use any code you like, its just for your help to sort where the different places belong...

Just remember, you can if you are doing something you think are "stupid", just create a new project and start over... you are not working in the actual csv file...
And it can also be that the redo history have all you need to go back...

You need to export a new CSV when you are finished...

I think I must have started over atleast a 100 times now... doing something wrong...

jaran

tor. 17. okt. 2019 kl. 18:21 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Thanks, Jaran. Am I understanding correctly that I should browes all the rows and add country code on each row that has no ID because of the separation I did to begin with? If so, wouldn't it be better, for example, to use the code US-MA instead of just USA?



On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 9:06 AM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
@Connie,The best thing to do is just to add a ISO country code in the "Code" field for those until you are finished, then you have one extra field you can use Facets.
you can use multiple Facets, Text filter and other search function for multiple columns at the same time... its like a search Col1= 1 and Col2=Essex and Col3=USA

If you have "Sort" on any column in Openrefine, you can remove that by clicking on the little arrow on the right of "Sort" in the menu over the field names, this will reset the table as it was before you sorted it, with the split records under there "original" names...

Jaran


tor. 17. okt. 2019 kl. 14:31 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Good morning, Tony. That tool is not there. I asked Google about it and was lead to a post of yours that said it doesn't work in v5 and wondered you should revert back to v4 when it was available and worked. I should also mention, I have no titles to break into pieces. I don't know where to see titles within gramps either. I only know this from exporting a csv. When I create a place there is no title field. It appears the title is automatically generated after a hierarchy is built. I know this because I have a title showing in the csv file for the place I created a hierarchy for. So, even if the Generate Hierarchy tool was there in my version, it has nothing to create it from. 

I spent some time yesterday learning to use Open Refine and that seems my best option. (Thank you, Jaran (StoltHD) The most difficult part is not making the mistake of treating the wrong same names as if they were actually the same place. A good example is Essex county. The US has 4, Canada and England each have 1. 
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You don’t have to enter the country.  GeoFinder will return all matches.   if the name (Kalamazoo County) existed in multiple countries, then the return list would include all the matches unless you specify the country.  You can then click on the item you are interested in.  GeoFinder in general will do a very wide search and then present the results in a ranked order.  The more info you provide, the better the list.   For example, If you just enter Paris, it will return 20 matches.  If you put in Paris, Texas or Paris, France it will just return one match.

On Oct 19, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:

 Great. One potential problem though...many of the event records I find only show county and state. If it can give the right choice among choices, no problem. My home town is a good example of a problem if it doesn't list just county and state as a choice. Kalamazoo is both a city and a county. So, if the record is for Kalamazoo County, MI then I enter that. Before now, I hadn't been entering country for the US, only for other countries. So, I am using OpenRefine to enclose all US states within the US. I created the place in Gramps then use the Geo ID. It sounds like that will help with your tool. Thanks. I wish I had your talent to offer the group.


On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:28 PM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
1) I will definitely post once I’ve completed the ability to write the Enclosed Hierarchy into Gramps.  

2) I’m not sure whether GeoFinder would require the full Python install or App Store install for Windows (I don’t recall which I used).  If you’re already running Gramps, there’s a reasonable chance you already have the right Python, although GeoFinder requires Python 3.6 or higher and Gramps may work with older versions of Python.

3) In terms of the format for the places - GeoFinder will first try a lookup assuming the name is in town,<county>, state/province, country format (with county optional).   GeoFinder will also try alternate orders.  It will then present a list sorted by best match and you can click on the selection you want.  For example, the following results will be displayed depending on how Boston is entered:

Boston, Massachusetts, USA -  One match- Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA
Boston, Massachusetts - One match - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA
Boston, , Massachusetts -  One match -  Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA

Boston, USA - 20 matches Massachusetts, USA - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.
Boston, ,USA -  20 matches Massachusetts, USA - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.

Boston    - 20 matches in multiple states and countries.  You can click on the one you want.  Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.
Bos*, Massachusetts  - 20 matches.   Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is listed first
massachusetts, boston, USA - 20 matches.  Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.

On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:

Mikeh, regarding your Geofinder utility, please post in this thread when it is released. Which version of python do we need (Windows 10), full or one of the smaller packages? There are 3 others, the smallest being meant to embed into a larger application. Also, the user guide for Geofinder says ideally the places are in hierarchy form. Does that mean the "enclosed" feature has been used before creating the xml file or will it recognize "city, county, state" as a hierarchy? I'm working with OpenRefine successfully, but it's a long process with over 10,000 rows of data and multiple places with the same name.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 5:31 PM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
I’m working on a Place Cleanup utility that may help.  It currently outputs a place as “city, county, state/prov, country” but I plan to add the ability to split that to separate place objects for Gramps.  It should take me about a week to add that.

To use the utility, you do an XML export from Gramps, the utility then goes through the Places and suggests fixes, then you do XML import back to Gramps.

For more details:  


Features:

  • Rich global place name database from geonames.org optimized for Genealogy including cemeteries, historic locations, and religious locations.
  • Designed for correcting large files. Keeps track of your progress.
  • Adds missing information such as missing state/province, county, or country.
  • Standardizes place names
  • The original file is never touched. When you are ready with your fixes, you can generate a separate file for import to your Gedcom or Gramps software
  • Adds latitude/longitude
  • Wildcard search of place database
  • Phonetic search of place database
  • Advanced search of place database by type (e.g. cemeteries or churches)
  • Highlights locations where the event date is before European settlement (only supported for the US and Canada, only for GEDCOM files, not Gramps XML)

On Oct 17, 2019, at 11:33 AM, StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:

You can use any code you like, its just for your help to sort where the different places belong...

Just remember, you can if you are doing something you think are "stupid", just create a new project and start over... you are not working in the actual csv file...
And it can also be that the redo history have all you need to go back...

You need to export a new CSV when you are finished...

I think I must have started over atleast a 100 times now... doing something wrong...

jaran

tor. 17. okt. 2019 kl. 18:21 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Thanks, Jaran. Am I understanding correctly that I should browes all the rows and add country code on each row that has no ID because of the separation I did to begin with? If so, wouldn't it be better, for example, to use the code US-MA instead of just USA?



On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 9:06 AM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
@Connie,The best thing to do is just to add a ISO country code in the "Code" field for those until you are finished, then you have one extra field you can use Facets.
you can use multiple Facets, Text filter and other search function for multiple columns at the same time... its like a search Col1= 1 and Col2=Essex and Col3=USA

If you have "Sort" on any column in Openrefine, you can remove that by clicking on the little arrow on the right of "Sort" in the menu over the field names, this will reset the table as it was before you sorted it, with the split records under there "original" names...

Jaran


tor. 17. okt. 2019 kl. 14:31 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Good morning, Tony. That tool is not there. I asked Google about it and was lead to a post of yours that said it doesn't work in v5 and wondered you should revert back to v4 when it was available and worked. I should also mention, I have no titles to break into pieces. I don't know where to see titles within gramps either. I only know this from exporting a csv. When I create a place there is no title field. It appears the title is automatically generated after a hierarchy is built. I know this because I have a title showing in the csv file for the place I created a hierarchy for. So, even if the Generate Hierarchy tool was there in my version, it has nothing to create it from. 

I spent some time yesterday learning to use Open Refine and that seems my best option. (Thank you, Jaran (StoltHD) The most difficult part is not making the mistake of treating the wrong same names as if they were actually the same place. A good example is Essex county. The US has 4, Canada and England each have 1. 
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Re: Places

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Jaran, I had completely forgotten about your warning and my experiment last week. I attempted to bring the partially completed csv from openrefine into a test tree and am embarrassed to say I thought it was a bug because the error said the place didn't exist and it did exist. It isn't like me to completely forget something like that and it was like I was seeing it for the first time. So, I reported it as a bug. 😱 I suggested the message use the words "doesn't precede" instead of "doesn't exist". Sam's idea is even better, create the place if it doesn't exist, so I added that suggestion to the notes here.



On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:34 PM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
One thing that is important with the CSV import is that it reads one line at the time, so if a PLACE does not exist, it crash...

Its important that you have the enclosed by PLACE before a places that use that PLACE ID in the Enclosed_by field

i.e. if you have USA as PLACE 001, and New York State as 001-07 and then NY City as 001-07-0001 and enclosed by 001-07, You must have New Yark State higher up in the CSV file (i.e. row 2 if NY City is row 3)
...

Golden rule is that Microsoft sort from left to right so always use leading Zeros in both numbers and Strings, and shortest string with same characters goes on top... (i.e. P0001-002, will be higher up in the table when sorted than P0001-002001)
But when number it sorts it as we count...

Thats also why you should always use ISO standard dates on Windows, i.e. 2019-11-15, not 11-15-2019 or any other country specific format... (Just a tip)

Jaran

tir. 15. okt. 2019 kl. 18:28 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Dave, I have enabled more than once but when I go there again I see "the account is not yet enabled to use the free web services. Click here to enable" I just did it again and this time I think it worked. That makes the 3rd or 4th try. Now I'm wondering if I left that page before using the gramplet. Maybe it won't work unless still connected to the successfully enabled page? So, now I have the option of using this gramplet to change them one by one or try openrefine. Thanks everyone.



On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 11:51 AM Dave Scheipers <[hidden email]> wrote:
If I remember right, for GeoNames you create the account login, you
get a confirming email which you confirm and GeoNames says you are
logged in.  But then there is another "Enable" button link that needs
to be set to be able to have the app link to geonames.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:51 AM Paul Culley <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> The Place completion tool is rather dated, I would not use it.
>
> I am concerned that you were unable to use the Place Cleanup Gramplet.  Did you get an account at http://www.geonames.org/login ?
> Once you got the account, did you use the little icon at upper right of the Place Cleanup Gramplet (looks like a box with a wrench and gear on my Windows system) to set the account username (not email address) into the tool?  Did you remember to keep your computer connected to the internet?
>
> If this is not working (it did for me in a quick test) we should get it looked at.
>
> When the tool is working, it is not too difficult to clean up your data, although you have to do it one by one.  There always seems to be too much judgement needed to have a tool that does this automatically.
>
> It is possible to edit in CSV, you would export your whole database to CSV, use a spreadsheet to delete all the persons and families (to avoid messing with them) and add the enclosures using the IDs.  Make sure if you add an ID yourself, for a new enclosing place, that it doesn't conflict with a current ID, add them with a much higher starting number for example.
>
> I would definitely back up my data first, and do a small test of one or two places, then import the updated CSV again to see if it worked as expected.
>
> Paul C.
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> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 6:42 PM Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> How would I go about accessing my places in a spreadsheet format so I can do bulk changes. I need to add enclosures. I'm embarrassed to say I have been using gramps for a couple of years and am just now realizing I should have learned what enclosures are and been adding them. All my place names are in the format, town/city/township, county, state and if not in the US, then country is at the end of the name, no enclosures added at all.  I became aware of my mistake when searching for why nothing worked when attempting to use the Place Completion tool and Place Cleanup gramplet. Neither worked at all. When I attempted to find a place within the cleanup gramplet it returned the error, my geonames account wasn't enabled, even though it was multiple times. But that may be another problem.
>>
>> When using the completion tool, searching state, MI, looking in the file MI_Features_20190901.txt,  it returns 3 entries for the other states that also start with Mi, Minnesota, Mississippi and Missouri.  I installed nzjrs-osm-gps-map-1.1.0-26-g9df1353 just before this. After this failure I carried out a test by adding my home with enclosures and that one was found. So apparently enclosures are a prerequisite to using this tool. I can't bear the idea of editing each place. There are just too many.  I am on 64 bit Windows 10.
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>> Thanks for any help.
>> Connie
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Yeh, its easy to forget something like that, I done it a lot of times, even after I figured out what was wrong...

The Error Message---, Or maybe " "xxx" is not loaded, Control the sorting in the CSV file"...

And maybe a Warning BEFORE importing that the File needs to be sorted with the Widest Place of the hierarchy first, i.e. Country on top, then County ....->




The problem with creating the place is if there are a typeing error, or the place ID is "wrong", If you have a file with 120k+ places/locations like the one im working with now, and it contain multiple place names with the same ID (Same place, Alternative Names) or you merge multiple CSV's with same ID's, it can be a reall bad mess if the import gramplet create the place name because of an error in the file...

It is no ploblem with a error message and a halt in the import, as long as the Error Message actually tell something about the Error...

I used 10-15 hours to figure out that one error message, for as like you, I saw that the place was actually in the file...

ons. 23. okt. 2019 kl. 13:21 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Jaran, I had completely forgotten about your warning and my experiment last week. I attempted to bring the partially completed csv from openrefine into a test tree and am embarrassed to say I thought it was a bug because the error said the place didn't exist and it did exist. It isn't like me to completely forget something like that and it was like I was seeing it for the first time. So, I reported it as a bug. 😱 I suggested the message use the words "doesn't precede" instead of "doesn't exist". Sam's idea is even better, create the place if it doesn't exist, so I added that suggestion to the notes here.



On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:34 PM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
One thing that is important with the CSV import is that it reads one line at the time, so if a PLACE does not exist, it crash...

Its important that you have the enclosed by PLACE before a places that use that PLACE ID in the Enclosed_by field

i.e. if you have USA as PLACE 001, and New York State as 001-07 and then NY City as 001-07-0001 and enclosed by 001-07, You must have New Yark State higher up in the CSV file (i.e. row 2 if NY City is row 3)
...

Golden rule is that Microsoft sort from left to right so always use leading Zeros in both numbers and Strings, and shortest string with same characters goes on top... (i.e. P0001-002, will be higher up in the table when sorted than P0001-002001)
But when number it sorts it as we count...

Thats also why you should always use ISO standard dates on Windows, i.e. 2019-11-15, not 11-15-2019 or any other country specific format... (Just a tip)

Jaran

tir. 15. okt. 2019 kl. 18:28 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Dave, I have enabled more than once but when I go there again I see "the account is not yet enabled to use the free web services. Click here to enable" I just did it again and this time I think it worked. That makes the 3rd or 4th try. Now I'm wondering if I left that page before using the gramplet. Maybe it won't work unless still connected to the successfully enabled page? So, now I have the option of using this gramplet to change them one by one or try openrefine. Thanks everyone.



On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 11:51 AM Dave Scheipers <[hidden email]> wrote:
If I remember right, for GeoNames you create the account login, you
get a confirming email which you confirm and GeoNames says you are
logged in.  But then there is another "Enable" button link that needs
to be set to be able to have the app link to geonames.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:51 AM Paul Culley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The Place completion tool is rather dated, I would not use it.
>
> I am concerned that you were unable to use the Place Cleanup Gramplet.  Did you get an account at http://www.geonames.org/login ?
> Once you got the account, did you use the little icon at upper right of the Place Cleanup Gramplet (looks like a box with a wrench and gear on my Windows system) to set the account username (not email address) into the tool?  Did you remember to keep your computer connected to the internet?
>
> If this is not working (it did for me in a quick test) we should get it looked at.
>
> When the tool is working, it is not too difficult to clean up your data, although you have to do it one by one.  There always seems to be too much judgement needed to have a tool that does this automatically.
>
> It is possible to edit in CSV, you would export your whole database to CSV, use a spreadsheet to delete all the persons and families (to avoid messing with them) and add the enclosures using the IDs.  Make sure if you add an ID yourself, for a new enclosing place, that it doesn't conflict with a current ID, add them with a much higher starting number for example.
>
> I would definitely back up my data first, and do a small test of one or two places, then import the updated CSV again to see if it worked as expected.
>
> Paul C.
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 6:42 PM Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> How would I go about accessing my places in a spreadsheet format so I can do bulk changes. I need to add enclosures. I'm embarrassed to say I have been using gramps for a couple of years and am just now realizing I should have learned what enclosures are and been adding them. All my place names are in the format, town/city/township, county, state and if not in the US, then country is at the end of the name, no enclosures added at all.  I became aware of my mistake when searching for why nothing worked when attempting to use the Place Completion tool and Place Cleanup gramplet. Neither worked at all. When I attempted to find a place within the cleanup gramplet it returned the error, my geonames account wasn't enabled, even though it was multiple times. But that may be another problem.
>>
>> When using the completion tool, searching state, MI, looking in the file MI_Features_20190901.txt,  it returns 3 entries for the other states that also start with Mi, Minnesota, Mississippi and Missouri.  I installed nzjrs-osm-gps-map-1.1.0-26-g9df1353 just before this. After this failure I carried out a test by adding my home with enclosures and that one was found. So apparently enclosures are a prerequisite to using this tool. I can't bear the idea of editing each place. There are just too many.  I am on 64 bit Windows 10.
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Connie
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Re: Places

prculley
https://github.com/gramps-project/gramps/pull/942 contains a fix which allows places to be in any order, not just in biggest (enclosing) first.

In case anyone was interested.
Paul C.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:11 AM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yeh, its easy to forget something like that, I done it a lot of times, even after I figured out what was wrong...

The Error Message---, Or maybe " "xxx" is not loaded, Control the sorting in the CSV file"...

And maybe a Warning BEFORE importing that the File needs to be sorted with the Widest Place of the hierarchy first, i.e. Country on top, then County ....->




The problem with creating the place is if there are a typeing error, or the place ID is "wrong", If you have a file with 120k+ places/locations like the one im working with now, and it contain multiple place names with the same ID (Same place, Alternative Names) or you merge multiple CSV's with same ID's, it can be a reall bad mess if the import gramplet create the place name because of an error in the file...

It is no ploblem with a error message and a halt in the import, as long as the Error Message actually tell something about the Error...

I used 10-15 hours to figure out that one error message, for as like you, I saw that the place was actually in the file...

ons. 23. okt. 2019 kl. 13:21 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Jaran, I had completely forgotten about your warning and my experiment last week. I attempted to bring the partially completed csv from openrefine into a test tree and am embarrassed to say I thought it was a bug because the error said the place didn't exist and it did exist. It isn't like me to completely forget something like that and it was like I was seeing it for the first time. So, I reported it as a bug. 😱 I suggested the message use the words "doesn't precede" instead of "doesn't exist". Sam's idea is even better, create the place if it doesn't exist, so I added that suggestion to the notes here.



On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:34 PM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
One thing that is important with the CSV import is that it reads one line at the time, so if a PLACE does not exist, it crash...

Its important that you have the enclosed by PLACE before a places that use that PLACE ID in the Enclosed_by field

i.e. if you have USA as PLACE 001, and New York State as 001-07 and then NY City as 001-07-0001 and enclosed by 001-07, You must have New Yark State higher up in the CSV file (i.e. row 2 if NY City is row 3)
...

Golden rule is that Microsoft sort from left to right so always use leading Zeros in both numbers and Strings, and shortest string with same characters goes on top... (i.e. P0001-002, will be higher up in the table when sorted than P0001-002001)
But when number it sorts it as we count...

Thats also why you should always use ISO standard dates on Windows, i.e. 2019-11-15, not 11-15-2019 or any other country specific format... (Just a tip)

Jaran

tir. 15. okt. 2019 kl. 18:28 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Dave, I have enabled more than once but when I go there again I see "the account is not yet enabled to use the free web services. Click here to enable" I just did it again and this time I think it worked. That makes the 3rd or 4th try. Now I'm wondering if I left that page before using the gramplet. Maybe it won't work unless still connected to the successfully enabled page? So, now I have the option of using this gramplet to change them one by one or try openrefine. Thanks everyone.



On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 11:51 AM Dave Scheipers <[hidden email]> wrote:
If I remember right, for GeoNames you create the account login, you
get a confirming email which you confirm and GeoNames says you are
logged in.  But then there is another "Enable" button link that needs
to be set to be able to have the app link to geonames.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:51 AM Paul Culley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The Place completion tool is rather dated, I would not use it.
>
> I am concerned that you were unable to use the Place Cleanup Gramplet.  Did you get an account at http://www.geonames.org/login ?
> Once you got the account, did you use the little icon at upper right of the Place Cleanup Gramplet (looks like a box with a wrench and gear on my Windows system) to set the account username (not email address) into the tool?  Did you remember to keep your computer connected to the internet?
>
> If this is not working (it did for me in a quick test) we should get it looked at.
>
> When the tool is working, it is not too difficult to clean up your data, although you have to do it one by one.  There always seems to be too much judgement needed to have a tool that does this automatically.
>
> It is possible to edit in CSV, you would export your whole database to CSV, use a spreadsheet to delete all the persons and families (to avoid messing with them) and add the enclosures using the IDs.  Make sure if you add an ID yourself, for a new enclosing place, that it doesn't conflict with a current ID, add them with a much higher starting number for example.
>
> I would definitely back up my data first, and do a small test of one or two places, then import the updated CSV again to see if it worked as expected.
>
> Paul C.
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 6:42 PM Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> How would I go about accessing my places in a spreadsheet format so I can do bulk changes. I need to add enclosures. I'm embarrassed to say I have been using gramps for a couple of years and am just now realizing I should have learned what enclosures are and been adding them. All my place names are in the format, town/city/township, county, state and if not in the US, then country is at the end of the name, no enclosures added at all.  I became aware of my mistake when searching for why nothing worked when attempting to use the Place Completion tool and Place Cleanup gramplet. Neither worked at all. When I attempted to find a place within the cleanup gramplet it returned the error, my geonames account wasn't enabled, even though it was multiple times. But that may be another problem.
>>
>> When using the completion tool, searching state, MI, looking in the file MI_Features_20190901.txt,  it returns 3 entries for the other states that also start with Mi, Minnesota, Mississippi and Missouri.  I installed nzjrs-osm-gps-map-1.1.0-26-g9df1353 just before this. After this failure I carried out a test by adding my home with enclosures and that one was found. So apparently enclosures are a prerequisite to using this tool. I can't bear the idea of editing each place. There are just too many.  I am on 64 bit Windows 10.
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Connie
>>
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Connie Mack
Thanks Paul. Once you informed me I had to restart gramps for this fix to work I successfully imported the partially finished file. It only gave me one message, that it couldn't find one ID (Massachusetts). Yet, it was imported along with the enclosures I had completed. Yeah!!! 


On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:35 PM Paul Culley <[hidden email]> wrote:
https://github.com/gramps-project/gramps/pull/942 contains a fix which allows places to be in any order, not just in biggest (enclosing) first.

In case anyone was interested.
Paul C.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:11 AM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yeh, its easy to forget something like that, I done it a lot of times, even after I figured out what was wrong...

The Error Message---, Or maybe " "xxx" is not loaded, Control the sorting in the CSV file"...

And maybe a Warning BEFORE importing that the File needs to be sorted with the Widest Place of the hierarchy first, i.e. Country on top, then County ....->




The problem with creating the place is if there are a typeing error, or the place ID is "wrong", If you have a file with 120k+ places/locations like the one im working with now, and it contain multiple place names with the same ID (Same place, Alternative Names) or you merge multiple CSV's with same ID's, it can be a reall bad mess if the import gramplet create the place name because of an error in the file...

It is no ploblem with a error message and a halt in the import, as long as the Error Message actually tell something about the Error...

I used 10-15 hours to figure out that one error message, for as like you, I saw that the place was actually in the file...

ons. 23. okt. 2019 kl. 13:21 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Jaran, I had completely forgotten about your warning and my experiment last week. I attempted to bring the partially completed csv from openrefine into a test tree and am embarrassed to say I thought it was a bug because the error said the place didn't exist and it did exist. It isn't like me to completely forget something like that and it was like I was seeing it for the first time. So, I reported it as a bug. 😱 I suggested the message use the words "doesn't precede" instead of "doesn't exist". Sam's idea is even better, create the place if it doesn't exist, so I added that suggestion to the notes here.



On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:34 PM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
One thing that is important with the CSV import is that it reads one line at the time, so if a PLACE does not exist, it crash...

Its important that you have the enclosed by PLACE before a places that use that PLACE ID in the Enclosed_by field

i.e. if you have USA as PLACE 001, and New York State as 001-07 and then NY City as 001-07-0001 and enclosed by 001-07, You must have New Yark State higher up in the CSV file (i.e. row 2 if NY City is row 3)
...

Golden rule is that Microsoft sort from left to right so always use leading Zeros in both numbers and Strings, and shortest string with same characters goes on top... (i.e. P0001-002, will be higher up in the table when sorted than P0001-002001)
But when number it sorts it as we count...

Thats also why you should always use ISO standard dates on Windows, i.e. 2019-11-15, not 11-15-2019 or any other country specific format... (Just a tip)

Jaran

tir. 15. okt. 2019 kl. 18:28 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Dave, I have enabled more than once but when I go there again I see "the account is not yet enabled to use the free web services. Click here to enable" I just did it again and this time I think it worked. That makes the 3rd or 4th try. Now I'm wondering if I left that page before using the gramplet. Maybe it won't work unless still connected to the successfully enabled page? So, now I have the option of using this gramplet to change them one by one or try openrefine. Thanks everyone.



On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 11:51 AM Dave Scheipers <[hidden email]> wrote:
If I remember right, for GeoNames you create the account login, you
get a confirming email which you confirm and GeoNames says you are
logged in.  But then there is another "Enable" button link that needs
to be set to be able to have the app link to geonames.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:51 AM Paul Culley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The Place completion tool is rather dated, I would not use it.
>
> I am concerned that you were unable to use the Place Cleanup Gramplet.  Did you get an account at http://www.geonames.org/login ?
> Once you got the account, did you use the little icon at upper right of the Place Cleanup Gramplet (looks like a box with a wrench and gear on my Windows system) to set the account username (not email address) into the tool?  Did you remember to keep your computer connected to the internet?
>
> If this is not working (it did for me in a quick test) we should get it looked at.
>
> When the tool is working, it is not too difficult to clean up your data, although you have to do it one by one.  There always seems to be too much judgement needed to have a tool that does this automatically.
>
> It is possible to edit in CSV, you would export your whole database to CSV, use a spreadsheet to delete all the persons and families (to avoid messing with them) and add the enclosures using the IDs.  Make sure if you add an ID yourself, for a new enclosing place, that it doesn't conflict with a current ID, add them with a much higher starting number for example.
>
> I would definitely back up my data first, and do a small test of one or two places, then import the updated CSV again to see if it worked as expected.
>
> Paul C.
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 6:42 PM Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> How would I go about accessing my places in a spreadsheet format so I can do bulk changes. I need to add enclosures. I'm embarrassed to say I have been using gramps for a couple of years and am just now realizing I should have learned what enclosures are and been adding them. All my place names are in the format, town/city/township, county, state and if not in the US, then country is at the end of the name, no enclosures added at all.  I became aware of my mistake when searching for why nothing worked when attempting to use the Place Completion tool and Place Cleanup gramplet. Neither worked at all. When I attempted to find a place within the cleanup gramplet it returned the error, my geonames account wasn't enabled, even though it was multiple times. But that may be another problem.
>>
>> When using the completion tool, searching state, MI, looking in the file MI_Features_20190901.txt,  it returns 3 entries for the other states that also start with Mi, Minnesota, Mississippi and Missouri.  I installed nzjrs-osm-gps-map-1.1.0-26-g9df1353 just before this. After this failure I carried out a test by adding my home with enclosures and that one was found. So apparently enclosures are a prerequisite to using this tool. I can't bear the idea of editing each place. There are just too many.  I am on 64 bit Windows 10.
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Connie
>>
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Re: Places

StoltHD
Thanks Paul,

Great job...

I have an addon question about import/export from/to csv...
Would it be possible to export and import Citations, Sources and Repositories with CSV to?
Would it be a big job to add that?

Nearly all research thats outside of  genealogy use either CSV or a full featured json/xml for RDF Schemas, so it would be great to be bulk import that type of research to...

Same with additional data for places, would it be possible to add the Notes Reference and Citation Reference fields?

As you have seen I use the Openrefine tool to some work, and there you can reconsilate data with other data sources to build a "complete" csv with Citations, Sources and additional information about this object (People, Places, Sources, and Repositories/Archives) and it would be great to be able to import this information to... Openrefine and other software products I have tested can not create neither gedcom nor the json or xml formats from Gramps (most of them complain about multiple root objects)...

As of now this is just a question, if its possible and if it would be a lot of work...

I'm slowely starting to learn Python, but its a long way before I can start writing addons or make extentions to gramplets for gramps...

Jaran

ons. 23. okt. 2019 kl. 23:28 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Thanks Paul. Once you informed me I had to restart gramps for this fix to work I successfully imported the partially finished file. It only gave me one message, that it couldn't find one ID (Massachusetts). Yet, it was imported along with the enclosures I had completed. Yeah!!! 


On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:35 PM Paul Culley <[hidden email]> wrote:
https://github.com/gramps-project/gramps/pull/942 contains a fix which allows places to be in any order, not just in biggest (enclosing) first.

In case anyone was interested.
Paul C.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:11 AM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yeh, its easy to forget something like that, I done it a lot of times, even after I figured out what was wrong...

The Error Message---, Or maybe " "xxx" is not loaded, Control the sorting in the CSV file"...

And maybe a Warning BEFORE importing that the File needs to be sorted with the Widest Place of the hierarchy first, i.e. Country on top, then County ....->




The problem with creating the place is if there are a typeing error, or the place ID is "wrong", If you have a file with 120k+ places/locations like the one im working with now, and it contain multiple place names with the same ID (Same place, Alternative Names) or you merge multiple CSV's with same ID's, it can be a reall bad mess if the import gramplet create the place name because of an error in the file...

It is no ploblem with a error message and a halt in the import, as long as the Error Message actually tell something about the Error...

I used 10-15 hours to figure out that one error message, for as like you, I saw that the place was actually in the file...

ons. 23. okt. 2019 kl. 13:21 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Jaran, I had completely forgotten about your warning and my experiment last week. I attempted to bring the partially completed csv from openrefine into a test tree and am embarrassed to say I thought it was a bug because the error said the place didn't exist and it did exist. It isn't like me to completely forget something like that and it was like I was seeing it for the first time. So, I reported it as a bug. 😱 I suggested the message use the words "doesn't precede" instead of "doesn't exist". Sam's idea is even better, create the place if it doesn't exist, so I added that suggestion to the notes here.



On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:34 PM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
One thing that is important with the CSV import is that it reads one line at the time, so if a PLACE does not exist, it crash...

Its important that you have the enclosed by PLACE before a places that use that PLACE ID in the Enclosed_by field

i.e. if you have USA as PLACE 001, and New York State as 001-07 and then NY City as 001-07-0001 and enclosed by 001-07, You must have New Yark State higher up in the CSV file (i.e. row 2 if NY City is row 3)
...

Golden rule is that Microsoft sort from left to right so always use leading Zeros in both numbers and Strings, and shortest string with same characters goes on top... (i.e. P0001-002, will be higher up in the table when sorted than P0001-002001)
But when number it sorts it as we count...

Thats also why you should always use ISO standard dates on Windows, i.e. 2019-11-15, not 11-15-2019 or any other country specific format... (Just a tip)

Jaran

tir. 15. okt. 2019 kl. 18:28 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Dave, I have enabled more than once but when I go there again I see "the account is not yet enabled to use the free web services. Click here to enable" I just did it again and this time I think it worked. That makes the 3rd or 4th try. Now I'm wondering if I left that page before using the gramplet. Maybe it won't work unless still connected to the successfully enabled page? So, now I have the option of using this gramplet to change them one by one or try openrefine. Thanks everyone.



On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 11:51 AM Dave Scheipers <[hidden email]> wrote:
If I remember right, for GeoNames you create the account login, you
get a confirming email which you confirm and GeoNames says you are
logged in.  But then there is another "Enable" button link that needs
to be set to be able to have the app link to geonames.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:51 AM Paul Culley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The Place completion tool is rather dated, I would not use it.
>
> I am concerned that you were unable to use the Place Cleanup Gramplet.  Did you get an account at http://www.geonames.org/login ?
> Once you got the account, did you use the little icon at upper right of the Place Cleanup Gramplet (looks like a box with a wrench and gear on my Windows system) to set the account username (not email address) into the tool?  Did you remember to keep your computer connected to the internet?
>
> If this is not working (it did for me in a quick test) we should get it looked at.
>
> When the tool is working, it is not too difficult to clean up your data, although you have to do it one by one.  There always seems to be too much judgement needed to have a tool that does this automatically.
>
> It is possible to edit in CSV, you would export your whole database to CSV, use a spreadsheet to delete all the persons and families (to avoid messing with them) and add the enclosures using the IDs.  Make sure if you add an ID yourself, for a new enclosing place, that it doesn't conflict with a current ID, add them with a much higher starting number for example.
>
> I would definitely back up my data first, and do a small test of one or two places, then import the updated CSV again to see if it worked as expected.
>
> Paul C.
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 6:42 PM Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> How would I go about accessing my places in a spreadsheet format so I can do bulk changes. I need to add enclosures. I'm embarrassed to say I have been using gramps for a couple of years and am just now realizing I should have learned what enclosures are and been adding them. All my place names are in the format, town/city/township, county, state and if not in the US, then country is at the end of the name, no enclosures added at all.  I became aware of my mistake when searching for why nothing worked when attempting to use the Place Completion tool and Place Cleanup gramplet. Neither worked at all. When I attempted to find a place within the cleanup gramplet it returned the error, my geonames account wasn't enabled, even though it was multiple times. But that may be another problem.
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>> When using the completion tool, searching state, MI, looking in the file MI_Features_20190901.txt,  it returns 3 entries for the other states that also start with Mi, Minnesota, Mississippi and Missouri.  I installed nzjrs-osm-gps-map-1.1.0-26-g9df1353 just before this. After this failure I carried out a test by adding my home with enclosures and that one was found. So apparently enclosures are a prerequisite to using this tool. I can't bear the idea of editing each place. There are just too many.  I am on 64 bit Windows 10.
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Thanks Sam,
but this Feature Requests are more than 3 years old...? 
I have added some comments to both of them, but since this are so old, it might be because there are to few using it, or beause its to much job to implement it ?

Again, this is only questions

Jaran

tor. 24. okt. 2019 kl. 00:59 skrev Sam Manzi <[hidden email]>:
Two existing  features request.

9751: Extend CSV import to include Sources and Repositories

9108: Citation information should be included in csv export files

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Would it be possible to export and import Citations, Sources and Repositories with CSV to?
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Since we have a thread going for places, how are any of you entering Quaker record places. I've been entering a place called "** " Monthly Meeting, at least for marriages. I thought that would be an extra way to know that a family was Quaker, in case I don't have any notes attached to them. I also use a tag when I remember. But that wouldn't show up in reports. 


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Thanks Sam,
but this Feature Requests are more than 3 years old...? 
I have added some comments to both of them, but since this are so old, it might be because there are to few using it, or beause its to much job to implement it ?

Again, this is only questions

Jaran

tor. 24. okt. 2019 kl. 00:59 skrev Sam Manzi <[hidden email]>:
Two existing  features request.

9751: Extend CSV import to include Sources and Repositories

9108: Citation information should be included in csv export files

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Connie,

You might want to use the "Religion" Event type instead and put the denomination "Quaker" or "Society of Friends" as the Description. The "RELI" (Religion) tag is one of the GEDcom standards for data exchange too.

As to setting a Montly Meeting as a Place....
My understanding was that the Monthly Meetings changed locations. (Particular in Europe while the Society of Friends faithful were being persecuted.) So I tended to use the township as the place with the "Monthly Meeting" in the Description.

I only added a Meetinghouse as a GPS locatible Place when sure a dedicated building had been constructed (such as the Abington Meeting House) or after there were Burial Grounds  (Downingtown or Old Caln)

" They believe that "where two or three meet together in my name, I am there among them" (Revised English Bible, Matthew, Ch 18, v 20). Therefore, meeting for worship may take place in any place. Early Quakers often met for worship outdoors or in local public buildings. However, when the Religious Society of Friends began to grow there became a need for buildings to house their meetings."

The more complex problem for me is that the Quakers objected to the use of Pagan names for the Days of the week and Months of the year.  So they used numbers instead ... that confused a lot of people doing the Julian/Gregorian calendar conversions. There were also a lots of people who transposed a day of the week as the day of a month.


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Since we have a thread going for places, how are any of you entering Quaker record places. I've been entering a place called "** " Monthly Meeting, at least for marriages. I thought that would be an extra way to know that a family was Quaker, in case I don't have any notes attached to them. I also use a tag when I remember. But that wouldn't show up in reports. 


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Thanks Sam,
but this Feature Requests are more than 3 years old...? 
I have added some comments to both of them, but since this are so old, it might be because there are to few using it, or beause its to much job to implement it ?

Again, this is only questions

Jaran

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Two existing  features request.

9751: Extend CSV import to include Sources and Repositories

9108: Citation information should be included in csv export files

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Would it be possible to export and import Citations, Sources and Repositories with CSV to?
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I’ve finished the modification to Geofinder so that it can generate Place Enclosures for Gramps.   If you use it, DEFINITELY make a backup first since it has only been tested on my tree.

 It is available here.


GeoFinder Features

  • Rich global place name database from geonames.org optimized for Genealogy including cemeteries, historic locations, and religious locations.
  • Designed for correcting large files. Keeps track of your progress.
  • Automatic matching wherever possible adds missing information such as missing state/province or county.
  • Standardizes place names
  • The original file is never touched. When you are ready with your fixes, you can generate a separate file for import to your Gedcom or Gramps software
  • Adds latitude/longitude
  • Wildcard search of place database
  • Phonetic search of place database
  • Advanced search of place database with location type (e.g. cemeteries)
  • Highlights locations where the event date is before European settlement (only supported for the US and Canada, only for GEDCOM files)



On Oct 19, 2019, at 8:12 PM, mikeh via Gramps-users <[hidden email]> wrote:

You don’t have to enter the country.  GeoFinder will return all matches.   if the name (Kalamazoo County) existed in multiple countries, then the return list would include all the matches unless you specify the country.  You can then click on the item you are interested in.  GeoFinder in general will do a very wide search and then present the results in a ranked order.  The more info you provide, the better the list.   For example, If you just enter Paris, it will return 20 matches.  If you put in Paris, Texas or Paris, France it will just return one match.

On Oct 19, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:

 Great. One potential problem though...many of the event records I find only show county and state. If it can give the right choice among choices, no problem. My home town is a good example of a problem if it doesn't list just county and state as a choice. Kalamazoo is both a city and a county. So, if the record is for Kalamazoo County, MI then I enter that. Before now, I hadn't been entering country for the US, only for other countries. So, I am using OpenRefine to enclose all US states within the US. I created the place in Gramps then use the Geo ID. It sounds like that will help with your tool. Thanks. I wish I had your talent to offer the group.


On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:28 PM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
1) I will definitely post once I’ve completed the ability to write the Enclosed Hierarchy into Gramps.  

2) I’m not sure whether GeoFinder would require the full Python install or App Store install for Windows (I don’t recall which I used).  If you’re already running Gramps, there’s a reasonable chance you already have the right Python, although GeoFinder requires Python 3.6 or higher and Gramps may work with older versions of Python.

3) In terms of the format for the places - GeoFinder will first try a lookup assuming the name is in town,<county>, state/province, country format (with county optional).   GeoFinder will also try alternate orders.  It will then present a list sorted by best match and you can click on the selection you want.  For example, the following results will be displayed depending on how Boston is entered:

Boston, Massachusetts, USA -  One match- Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA
Boston, Massachusetts - One match - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA
Boston, , Massachusetts -  One match -  Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA

Boston, USA - 20 matches Massachusetts, USA - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.
Boston, ,USA -  20 matches Massachusetts, USA - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.

Boston    - 20 matches in multiple states and countries.  You can click on the one you want.  Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.
Bos*, Massachusetts  - 20 matches.   Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is listed first
massachusetts, boston, USA - 20 matches.  Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA is in the middle of the list.

On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:

Mikeh, regarding your Geofinder utility, please post in this thread when it is released. Which version of python do we need (Windows 10), full or one of the smaller packages? There are 3 others, the smallest being meant to embed into a larger application. Also, the user guide for Geofinder says ideally the places are in hierarchy form. Does that mean the "enclosed" feature has been used before creating the xml file or will it recognize "city, county, state" as a hierarchy? I'm working with OpenRefine successfully, but it's a long process with over 10,000 rows of data and multiple places with the same name.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 5:31 PM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
I’m working on a Place Cleanup utility that may help.  It currently outputs a place as “city, county, state/prov, country” but I plan to add the ability to split that to separate place objects for Gramps.  It should take me about a week to add that.

To use the utility, you do an XML export from Gramps, the utility then goes through the Places and suggests fixes, then you do XML import back to Gramps.

For more details:  


Features:

  • Rich global place name database from geonames.org optimized for Genealogy including cemeteries, historic locations, and religious locations.
  • Designed for correcting large files. Keeps track of your progress.
  • Adds missing information such as missing state/province, county, or country.
  • Standardizes place names
  • The original file is never touched. When you are ready with your fixes, you can generate a separate file for import to your Gedcom or Gramps software
  • Adds latitude/longitude
  • Wildcard search of place database
  • Phonetic search of place database
  • Advanced search of place database by type (e.g. cemeteries or churches)
  • Highlights locations where the event date is before European settlement (only supported for the US and Canada, only for GEDCOM files, not Gramps XML)

On Oct 17, 2019, at 11:33 AM, StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:

You can use any code you like, its just for your help to sort where the different places belong...

Just remember, you can if you are doing something you think are "stupid", just create a new project and start over... you are not working in the actual csv file...
And it can also be that the redo history have all you need to go back...

You need to export a new CSV when you are finished...

I think I must have started over atleast a 100 times now... doing something wrong...

jaran

tor. 17. okt. 2019 kl. 18:21 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Thanks, Jaran. Am I understanding correctly that I should browes all the rows and add country code on each row that has no ID because of the separation I did to begin with? If so, wouldn't it be better, for example, to use the code US-MA instead of just USA?



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@Connie,The best thing to do is just to add a ISO country code in the "Code" field for those until you are finished, then you have one extra field you can use Facets.
you can use multiple Facets, Text filter and other search function for multiple columns at the same time... its like a search Col1= 1 and Col2=Essex and Col3=USA

If you have "Sort" on any column in Openrefine, you can remove that by clicking on the little arrow on the right of "Sort" in the menu over the field names, this will reset the table as it was before you sorted it, with the split records under there "original" names...

Jaran


tor. 17. okt. 2019 kl. 14:31 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
Good morning, Tony. That tool is not there. I asked Google about it and was lead to a post of yours that said it doesn't work in v5 and wondered you should revert back to v4 when it was available and worked. I should also mention, I have no titles to break into pieces. I don't know where to see titles within gramps either. I only know this from exporting a csv. When I create a place there is no title field. It appears the title is automatically generated after a hierarchy is built. I know this because I have a title showing in the csv file for the place I created a hierarchy for. So, even if the Generate Hierarchy tool was there in my version, it has nothing to create it from. 

I spent some time yesterday learning to use Open Refine and that seems my best option. (Thank you, Jaran (StoltHD) The most difficult part is not making the mistake of treating the wrong same names as if they were actually the same place. A good example is Essex county. The US has 4, Canada and England each have 1. 
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Thanks. I had already installed the python Windows store package which seemed like the right choice for my 64bit windows 10, but maybe not. It installed without any input from me so I couldn'd do anything about the path.  After entering the command prompt for geofinder I got this warning I don't know how to address correctly. "WARNING: The script unidecode.exe is installed in 'C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.8_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python38\Scripts' which is not on PATH. Consider adding this directory to PATH or, if you prefer to suppress this warning, use --no-warn-script-location." So, should I uninstall the Microsoft package of python and install the full package? I'm sorry for being such a dummy. But I really want to help you test this.


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I’ve finished the modification to Geofinder so that it can generate Place Enclosures for Gramps.   If you use it, DEFINITELY make a backup first since it has only been tested on my tree.

 It is available here.




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Ok, so I uninstalled the MS Store package of python, installed the full version after choosing "install launcher for all users" and "Add Python 3.8 to path". I got the suggested update for python, entered "pip3 install geofinder --upgrade" in the command prompt. It reported successful but when I entered "geofinder" to open the program it returned, "'geofinder' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

I then reran the first command to install and upgrade geofinder, just in case it wasn't installed somehow and the message was, "C:\Users\Owner>pip3 install geofinder --upgrade
Requirement already up-to-date: geofinder in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (0.7.1)
Requirement already satisfied, skipping upgrade: unidecode in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (from geofinder) (1.1.1)
Requirement already satisfied, skipping upgrade: phonetics in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (from geofinder) (1.0.5)"

I went to the location to search for it and there is nothing there called geofinder. I also went to advanced settings to see what was in the path. It reads C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Scripts\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\;%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps; It appears it still has the MS package there but is it supposed to have geofinder, unidecode and phonetics path there too?  I'll keep searching for a solution while I keep an eye on this thread.

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Thanks. I had already installed the python Windows store package which seemed like the right choice for my 64bit windows 10, but maybe not. It installed without any input from me so I couldn'd do anything about the path.  After entering the command prompt for geofinder I got this warning I don't know how to address correctly. "WARNING: The script unidecode.exe is installed in 'C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.8_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python38\Scripts' which is not on PATH. Consider adding this directory to PATH or, if you prefer to suppress this warning, use --no-warn-script-location." So, should I uninstall the Microsoft package of python and install the full package? I'm sorry for being such a dummy. But I really want to help you test this.


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I’ve finished the modification to Geofinder so that it can generate Place Enclosures for Gramps.   If you use it, DEFINITELY make a backup first since it has only been tested on my tree.

 It is available here.




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I’m not a Windows expert, but I think the “PATH” issue below may come up even if you install the full Python package.  I think the best approach is to use their suggestion of adding the directory they list below into PATH. If there are any Windows experts on here, chime in if this the wrong approach. Add a semi-colon to the end of the current path and after that put the following (ignore the Bar on the left).

;   C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.8_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python38\Scripts

Instructions to update the PATH are here in the first answer:






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Thanks. I had already installed the python Windows store package which seemed like the right choice for my 64bit windows 10, but maybe not. It installed without any input from me so I couldn'd do anything about the path.  After entering the command prompt for geofinder I got this warning I don't know how to address correctly. "WARNING: The script unidecode.exe is installed in 'C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.8_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python38\Scripts' which is not on PATH. Consider adding this directory to PATH or, if you prefer to suppress this warning, use --no-warn-script-location." So, should I uninstall the Microsoft package of python and install the full package? I'm sorry for being such a dummy. But I really want to help you test this.


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I’ve finished the modification to Geofinder so that it can generate Place Enclosures for Gramps.   If you use it, DEFINITELY make a backup first since it has only been tested on my tree.

 It is available here.





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Our emails crossed.   It looks like it's a path issue.  Try adding the following to path:

               c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages


Here are the instructions to update PATH:





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Ok, so I uninstalled the MS Store package of python, installed the full version after choosing "install launcher for all users" and "Add Python 3.8 to path". I got the suggested update for python, entered "pip3 install geofinder --upgrade" in the command prompt. It reported successful but when I entered "geofinder" to open the program it returned, "'geofinder' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

I then reran the first command to install and upgrade geofinder, just in case it wasn't installed somehow and the message was, "C:\Users\Owner>pip3 install geofinder --upgrade
Requirement already up-to-date: geofinder in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (0.7.1)
Requirement already satisfied, skipping upgrade: unidecode in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (from geofinder) (1.1.1)
Requirement already satisfied, skipping upgrade: phonetics in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (from geofinder) (1.0.5)"

I went to the location to search for it and there is nothing there called geofinder. I also went to advanced settings to see what was in the path. It reads C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Scripts\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\;%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps; It appears it still has the MS package there but is it supposed to have geofinder, unidecode and phonetics path there too?  I'll keep searching for a solution while I keep an eye on this thread.

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Thanks. I had already installed the python Windows store package which seemed like the right choice for my 64bit windows 10, but maybe not. It installed without any input from me so I couldn'd do anything about the path.  After entering the command prompt for geofinder I got this warning I don't know how to address correctly. "WARNING: The script unidecode.exe is installed in 'C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.8_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python38\Scripts' which is not on PATH. Consider adding this directory to PATH or, if you prefer to suppress this warning, use --no-warn-script-location." So, should I uninstall the Microsoft package of python and install the full package? I'm sorry for being such a dummy. But I really want to help you test this.


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I’ve finished the modification to Geofinder so that it can generate Place Enclosures for Gramps.   If you use it, DEFINITELY make a backup first since it has only been tested on my tree.

 It is available here.





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It didn't work. I noticed it still had the path from the WindowsApp version, besides the full version, even though that had been uninstalled, so I removed that from the path variables. The paths now read
C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Scripts\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Lib\Site-packages; but it still doesn't work. I have a feeling this is the notorious windows causing the problem.


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Our emails crossed.   It looks like it's a path issue.  Try adding the following to path:

               c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages


Here are the instructions to update PATH:





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Ok, so I uninstalled the MS Store package of python, installed the full version after choosing "install launcher for all users" and "Add Python 3.8 to path". I got the suggested update for python, entered "pip3 install geofinder --upgrade" in the command prompt. It reported successful but when I entered "geofinder" to open the program it returned, "'geofinder' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

I then reran the first command to install and upgrade geofinder, just in case it wasn't installed somehow and the message was, "C:\Users\Owner>pip3 install geofinder --upgrade
Requirement already up-to-date: geofinder in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (0.7.1)
Requirement already satisfied, skipping upgrade: unidecode in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (from geofinder) (1.1.1)
Requirement already satisfied, skipping upgrade: phonetics in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (from geofinder) (1.0.5)"

I went to the location to search for it and there is nothing there called geofinder. I also went to advanced settings to see what was in the path. It reads C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Scripts\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\;%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps; It appears it still has the MS package there but is it supposed to have geofinder, unidecode and phonetics path there too?  I'll keep searching for a solution while I keep an eye on this thread.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:26 AM Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks. I had already installed the python Windows store package which seemed like the right choice for my 64bit windows 10, but maybe not. It installed without any input from me so I couldn'd do anything about the path.  After entering the command prompt for geofinder I got this warning I don't know how to address correctly. "WARNING: The script unidecode.exe is installed in 'C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.8_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python38\Scripts' which is not on PATH. Consider adding this directory to PATH or, if you prefer to suppress this warning, use --no-warn-script-location." So, should I uninstall the Microsoft package of python and install the full package? I'm sorry for being such a dummy. But I really want to help you test this.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:03 AM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
I’ve finished the modification to Geofinder so that it can generate Place Enclosures for Gramps.   If you use it, DEFINITELY make a backup first since it has only been tested on my tree.

 It is available here.





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Geofinder is not in the python scripts folder where it should be. I just happened to wonder if I needed to reboot in the first place. I'll do that first, then go through an uninstall/reinstall process.




On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:25 PM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
@Connie,

You should try to uninstall Python and reinstall it for "all users", then check and set the path in the lower part "system variables".
Also check that you don't have any python path in the "user" section.

To be able to run the python install as "system" you need to right click on the installer and select "Run as Administrator"

When you have set your new path, you need to reboot to get it loaded.


Jaran

tir. 29. okt. 2019 kl. 19:05 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
It didn't work. I noticed it still had the path from the WindowsApp version, besides the full version, even though that had been uninstalled, so I removed that from the path variables. The paths now read
C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Scripts\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Lib\Site-packages; but it still doesn't work. I have a feeling this is the notorious windows causing the problem.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:24 PM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
Our emails crossed.   It looks like it's a path issue.  Try adding the following to path:

               c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages


Here are the instructions to update PATH:





On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:52 AM, Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ok, so I uninstalled the MS Store package of python, installed the full version after choosing "install launcher for all users" and "Add Python 3.8 to path". I got the suggested update for python, entered "pip3 install geofinder --upgrade" in the command prompt. It reported successful but when I entered "geofinder" to open the program it returned, "'geofinder' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

I then reran the first command to install and upgrade geofinder, just in case it wasn't installed somehow and the message was, "C:\Users\Owner>pip3 install geofinder --upgrade
Requirement already up-to-date: geofinder in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (0.7.1)
Requirement already satisfied, skipping upgrade: unidecode in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (from geofinder) (1.1.1)
Requirement already satisfied, skipping upgrade: phonetics in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (from geofinder) (1.0.5)"

I went to the location to search for it and there is nothing there called geofinder. I also went to advanced settings to see what was in the path. It reads C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Scripts\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\;%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps; It appears it still has the MS package there but is it supposed to have geofinder, unidecode and phonetics path there too?  I'll keep searching for a solution while I keep an eye on this thread.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:26 AM Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks. I had already installed the python Windows store package which seemed like the right choice for my 64bit windows 10, but maybe not. It installed without any input from me so I couldn'd do anything about the path.  After entering the command prompt for geofinder I got this warning I don't know how to address correctly. "WARNING: The script unidecode.exe is installed in 'C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.8_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python38\Scripts' which is not on PATH. Consider adding this directory to PATH or, if you prefer to suppress this warning, use --no-warn-script-location." So, should I uninstall the Microsoft package of python and install the full package? I'm sorry for being such a dummy. But I really want to help you test this.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:03 AM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
I’ve finished the modification to Geofinder so that it can generate Place Enclosures for Gramps.   If you use it, DEFINITELY make a backup first since it has only been tested on my tree.

 It is available here.



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Jaran, I installed python as admin for all users but don't know what you mean for sure by, "check that you don't have any python path in the "user" section." Both times, python installed into C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\ so I'm confused. I wasn't asked where I wanted it installed either. Maybe I'm getting tired and confused.




On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:25 PM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
@Connie,

You should try to uninstall Python and reinstall it for "all users", then check and set the path in the lower part "system variables".
Also check that you don't have any python path in the "user" section.

To be able to run the python install as "system" you need to right click on the installer and select "Run as Administrator"

When you have set your new path, you need to reboot to get it loaded.


Jaran

tir. 29. okt. 2019 kl. 19:05 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
It didn't work. I noticed it still had the path from the WindowsApp version, besides the full version, even though that had been uninstalled, so I removed that from the path variables. The paths now read
C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Scripts\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Lib\Site-packages; but it still doesn't work. I have a feeling this is the notorious windows causing the problem.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:24 PM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
Our emails crossed.   It looks like it's a path issue.  Try adding the following to path:

               c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages


Here are the instructions to update PATH:





On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:52 AM, Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ok, so I uninstalled the MS Store package of python, installed the full version after choosing "install launcher for all users" and "Add Python 3.8 to path". I got the suggested update for python, entered "pip3 install geofinder --upgrade" in the command prompt. It reported successful but when I entered "geofinder" to open the program it returned, "'geofinder' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

I then reran the first command to install and upgrade geofinder, just in case it wasn't installed somehow and the message was, "C:\Users\Owner>pip3 install geofinder --upgrade
Requirement already up-to-date: geofinder in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (0.7.1)
Requirement already satisfied, skipping upgrade: unidecode in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (from geofinder) (1.1.1)
Requirement already satisfied, skipping upgrade: phonetics in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (from geofinder) (1.0.5)"

I went to the location to search for it and there is nothing there called geofinder. I also went to advanced settings to see what was in the path. It reads C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Scripts\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\;%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps; It appears it still has the MS package there but is it supposed to have geofinder, unidecode and phonetics path there too?  I'll keep searching for a solution while I keep an eye on this thread.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:26 AM Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks. I had already installed the python Windows store package which seemed like the right choice for my 64bit windows 10, but maybe not. It installed without any input from me so I couldn'd do anything about the path.  After entering the command prompt for geofinder I got this warning I don't know how to address correctly. "WARNING: The script unidecode.exe is installed in 'C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.8_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python38\Scripts' which is not on PATH. Consider adding this directory to PATH or, if you prefer to suppress this warning, use --no-warn-script-location." So, should I uninstall the Microsoft package of python and install the full package? I'm sorry for being such a dummy. But I really want to help you test this.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:03 AM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
I’ve finished the modification to Geofinder so that it can generate Place Enclosures for Gramps.   If you use it, DEFINITELY make a backup first since it has only been tested on my tree.

 It is available here.



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I think Jaran's trying to to dig you out of the Windows "user name" quicksand.

Your paths don't ACTUALLY contain the word "Owner", do they? (Unless that is your logged in User Name for Windows.) If that Is NOT your User Name and the GeoFinder installer CREATED an 'Owner' subfolder in the Users folder of you main drive, then the Windows security will lock you out... unless you are running in Administrator mode. (That would be a serious installer bug too!) Way too much security crap to deal with if this is a home machine with one user.

But seems like it would be more simple to just substitute an environmental variable instead.  So, instead of anywhere the path says "c:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\" , use "%LocalAppData%\"

(Capitalization is irrelevant in this Windows usage.)

-Brian

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 15:04, Connie Mack
Jaran, I installed python as admin for all users but don't know what you mean for sure by, "check that you don't have any python path in the "user" section." Both times, python installed into C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\ so I'm confused. I wasn't asked where I wanted it installed either. Maybe I'm getting tired and confused.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:25 PM StoltHD <[hidden email]> wrote:
@Connie,

You should try to uninstall Python and reinstall it for "all users", then check and set the path in the lower part "system variables".
Also check that you don't have any python path in the "user" section.

To be able to run the python install as "system" you need to right click on the installer and select "Run as Administrator"

When you have set your new path, you need to reboot to get it loaded.


Jaran

tir. 29. okt. 2019 kl. 19:05 skrev Connie Mack <[hidden email]>:
It didn't work. I noticed it still had the path from the WindowsApp version, besides the full version, even though that had been uninstalled, so I removed that from the path variables. The paths now read
C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Scripts\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Lib\Site-packages; but it still doesn't work. I have a feeling this is the notorious windows causing the problem.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:24 PM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
Our emails crossed.   It looks like it's a path issue.  Try adding the following to path:          c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages

Here are the instructions to update PATH:

On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:52 AM, Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ok, so I uninstalled the MS Store package of python, installed the full version after choosing "install launcher for all users" and "Add Python 3.8 to path". I got the suggested update for python, entered "pip3 install geofinder --upgrade" in the command prompt. It reported successful but when I entered "geofinder" to open the program it returned, "'geofinder' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

I then reran the first command to install and upgrade geofinder, just in case it wasn't installed somehow and the message was, "C:\Users\Owner>pip3 install geofinder --upgrade
Requirement already up-to-date: geofinder in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (0.7.1)
Requirement already satisfied, skipping upgrade: unidecode in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (from geofinder) (1.1.1)
Requirement already satisfied, skipping upgrade: phonetics in c:\users\owner\appdata\local\programs\python\python38\lib\site-packages (from geofinder) (1.0.5)"

I went to the location to search for it and there is nothing there called geofinder. I also went to advanced settings to see what was in the path. It reads C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\Scripts\;C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38\;%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps; It appears it still has the MS package there but is it supposed to have geofinder, unidecode and phonetics path there too?  I'll keep searching for a solution while I keep an eye on this thread.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:26 AM Connie Mack <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks. I had already installed the python Windows store package which seemed like the right choice for my 64bit windows 10, but maybe not. It installed without any input from me so I couldn'd do anything about the path.  After entering the command prompt for geofinder I got this warning I don't know how to address correctly. "WARNING: The script unidecode.exe is installed in 'C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.8_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python38\Scripts' which is not on PATH. Consider adding this directory to PATH or, if you prefer to suppress this warning, use --no-warn-script-location." So, should I uninstall the Microsoft package of python and install the full package? I'm sorry for being such a dummy. But I really want to help you test this.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:03 AM mikeh <[hidden email]> wrote:
I’ve finished the modification to Geofinder so that it can generate Place Enclosures for Gramps.   If you use it, DEFINITELY make a backup first since it has only been tested on my tree.

 It is available here.



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