# Recording URL's of Source Citations.

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## Recording URL's of Source Citations.

 Hi, I was wondering is there a way to record URL's of Source Citations without having to duplicate portions of the Source or the Citations? To date I've recorded details, such as Archive, Record Type (birth, marriage, etc.), Table Type (decadal or annual) or Register, Volume No., Folio No., Certificate No. as well as the relevant URL under the 'Internet' tab of the person dialog (People -> Add or Edit). In addition I have recorded the Register Year, Volume No., Folio No., Certificate No. and registration date under the Source Citations tab of the person dialog (People -> Add or Edit), but in a way this seems to be a duplication of quite a bit of the information. Does anybody have any suggestions (aside from not recording the information : ) that would have the same result yet avoid duplication of (some of) the information? Regards, Jk. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-usershttps://gramps-project.org
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 I put all that information in the "Page" field of a citation, or in a "Citation" note attached to a citation.  When I have a URL for something, I'll add the following to the end of the "Page" field, after the information you've described above:( https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVL6-1YBV : accessed 15 Feb 2017 )I always put the date there because URLs often go out of service, and I want to know how long ago it was correct.  I also almost always attach a screenshot to the citation in these cases, so I have the information as originally presented.Phil.On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:03 PM, John W. Kitz wrote:Hi, I was wondering is there a way to record URL's of Source Citations without having to duplicate portions of the Source or the Citations? To date I've recorded details, such as Archive, Record Type (birth, marriage, etc.), Table Type (decadal or annual) or Register, Volume No., Folio No., Certificate No. as well as the relevant URL under the 'Internet' tab of the person dialog (People -> Add or Edit). In addition I have recorded the Register Year, Volume No., Folio No., Certificate No. and registration date under the Source Citations tab of the person dialog (People -> Add or Edit), but in a way this seems to be a duplication of quite a bit of the information. Does anybody have any suggestions (aside from not recording the information : ) that would have the same result yet avoid duplication of (some of) the information? Regards, Jk. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users https://gramps-project.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-usershttps://gramps-project.org
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 In reply to this post by John W. Kitz-3 +1 Sometimes a URL is the actual citation (and then it goes in the Page field), but usually it's just a copy (where the index data goes in the Page field and the URL -- which isn't the actual citation -- is truly just a Citation note).  Regarding this particular FS link, why??  The original link is there on the page for you to follow.  That is your citation. On 02/15/2017 04:16 PM, Philip Weiss wrote: I put all that information in the "Page" field of a citation, or in a "Citation" note attached to a citation.  When I have a URL for something, I'll add the following to the end of the "Page" field, after the information you've described above: ( https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVL6-1YBV : accessed 15 Feb 2017 ) I always put the date there because URLs often go out of service, and I want to know how long ago it was correct.  I also almost always attach a screenshot to the citation in these cases, so I have the information as originally presented. Phil. On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:03 PM, John W. Kitz wrote: Hi, I was wondering is there a way to record URL's of Source Citations without having to duplicate portions of the Source or the Citations? To date I've recorded details, such as Archive, Record Type (birth, marriage, etc.), Table Type (decadal or annual) or Register, Volume No., Folio No., Certificate No. as well as the relevant URL under the 'Internet' tab of the person dialog (People -> Add or Edit). In addition I have recorded the Register Year, Volume No., Folio No., Certificate No. and registration date under the Source Citations tab of the person dialog (People -> Add or Edit), but in a way this seems to be a duplication of quite a bit of the information. Does anybody have any suggestions (aside from not recording the information : ) that would have the same result yet avoid duplication of (some of) the information? Regards, Jk. -- World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-usershttps://gramps-project.org
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 On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: +1 Sometimes a URL is the actual citation (and then it goes in the Page field), but usually it's just a copy (where the index data goes in the Page field and the URL -- which isn't the actual citation -- is truly just a Citation note).  Regarding this particular FS link, why??  The original link is there on the page for you to follow.  That is your citation. On 02/15/2017 04:16 PM, Philip Weiss wrote: I put all that information in the "Page" field of a citation, or in a "Citation" note attached to a citation.  When I have a URL for something, I'll add the following to the end of the "Page" field, after the information you've described above: ( https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVL6-1YBV : accessed 15 Feb 2017 ) I always put the date there because URLs often go out of service, and I want to know how long ago it was correct.  I also almost always attach a screenshot to the citation in these cases, so I have the information as originally presented. Phil. For those wondering, that URL goes to a FamilySearch database entry that refers to a Find a Grave entry.  Ron is entirely correct that I would not cite FamilySearch in that case.  I just did a quick search on my great great grandfather to get something I could use as an example.As a side note, I never use Find a Grave as a source for events, names, or relationships at all.  I create sources for cemetery grave markers, such as "Alberta, Cypress County, Congregational Matthaus Cemetery grave markers".  Then I'll have a citation for "marker for John Lindemann" for that source.  I'll attach an image of the grave marker(s) to that citation.  And that image then gets a citation that references a Find A Grave entry, if indeed it came from there.  Basically, I use Find a Grave only for the images.  I don't trust the information people put into the rest of it, just like I don't trust trees that people put online.Phil. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-usershttps://gramps-project.org
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 In reply to this post by John W. Kitz-3 On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 23:03:13 +0100 "John W. Kitz" <[hidden email]> wrote: Hello John, >I was wondering is there a way to record URL's of Source Citations >without having to duplicate portions of the Source or the Citations? The way I do it, using a baptism as an example; Event, Baptism; has the date and place, plus person's name in description field. Baptism, Source Citation; has the Volume page and entry no. for the relevant Register, with the Source as the Baptism register of the church. Baptism date gets entered in the date field.  Repository is the place where the PR is held - usually a record Office somewhere. Citation, Gallery (this is NOT the Baptism, Gallery); an image of the PR page downloaded from Ancestry, FMP or whoever.   Gallery (Shared Information), Citation; url of the page the image came from and the date it was d/l'd in the date field.  Source set to whichever web site I got the image from.  Additionally, it is possible to highlight the section on the page that you're interested in. So, it goes:  Event; Source Citation -> Image; Source Citation. Thus, the PR reference and url each only get used once. --  Regards  _          / )           "The blindingly obvious is         / _)rad        never immediately apparent" I can't do a thing 'cause I can't relax Independence Day - Comsat Angels ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-usershttps://gramps-project.org attachment0 (499 bytes) Download Attachment
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 In reply to this post by Philip Weiss On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:14:42 -0800 Philip Weiss <[hidden email]> wrote: Hello Philip, >I agree with both those drawbacks.  It doesn't print or display well, >and I agree, it doesn't print well.  My source/citation model isn't for that.  Anything I want easily viewable, printable, or whatever, gets copied to the highest level.  That means most media objects (grave stones, buildings, some paperwork scans, etc.) get put in the relevant person's Gallery as well as the source/citation gallery.   --  Regards  _          / )           "The blindingly obvious is         / _)rad        never immediately apparent" I'm surfing on a wave of nostalgia for an age yet to come Nostalgia - Buzzcocks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-usershttps://gramps-project.org attachment0 (499 bytes) Download Attachment
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 In reply to this post by John W. Kitz-3 On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:17:04 +0100 "John W. Kitz" <[hidden email]> wrote: Hello John, >this is a better way of doing it. In fact doing it this way resembles >what one can do with 'enclosed by' in 'Places'. In addition on some of Where'd you think I got the idea?  :-) >With regards to the citation itself, IMHO each event has two dates that >may need to be recorded (to the extent that each is available) rather >than one; i.e. the date on which the actual event, e.g. a birth, I agree.  It wasn't clear from the way I worked through my example, but I record the DoB (death, baptism, etc.) in the event itself and the citation gets the date of informing the relevant authority.  For marriages and baptisms, that's usually the same date as the event itself.  For births and deaths, it's usually a different date, but both dates are available from the certificate. So, I can end up with three different dates:  One for the event, one for when the Registrar (or whoever) was informed, and a third for when I actually recorded all the information. As an aside, I find it galling to have to use dates like "after....." for a burial (for example), because information has been acquired from somewhere like Find A Grave[1], where burial dates may not be recorded. It makes the research, and therefore the conclusions, seem to be less than rigorous. [1]  I stress that this is NOT a failing of the web site - it's merely a function of the fact that burial dates aren't readily available to the volunteers that do all the leg work:  Thanks be to them all. --  Regards  _          / )           "The blindingly obvious is         / _)rad        never immediately apparent" The public gets what the public wants Going Underground - The Jam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-usershttps://gramps-project.org attachment0 (499 bytes) Download Attachment
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 On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:31:17 +0000 Peter Merchant <[hidden email]> wrote: Hello Peter, >Ideally I would like this hyperlink to be as close to the person as >possible, not down an event, a source and a citation. Add it to a (Person) Note;  Anything that looks like a hyperlink gets treated as such by Notes. --  Regards  _          / )           "The blindingly obvious is         / _)rad        never immediately apparent" The public wants what the public gets Going Underground - The Jam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-usershttps://gramps-project.org attachment0 (499 bytes) Download Attachment
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 On 16/02/17 12:01, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:31:17 +0000 Peter Merchant [hidden email] wrote: Hello Peter,  Ideally I would like this hyperlink to be as close to the person as possible, not down an event, a source and a citation.  Add it to a (Person) Note; Anything that looks like a hyperlink gets treated as such by Notes.  Cheers, Thanks Brad. P. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-usershttps://gramps-project.org
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 In reply to this post by John W. Kitz-3 On 02/16/2017 04:56 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: [snip] > As an aside, I find it galling to have to use dates like "after....." > for a burial Leave the date blank? -- World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-usershttps://gramps-project.org
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 In reply to this post by Peter Merchant On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:12:44 +0000 Peter Merchant <[hidden email]> wrote: Hello Peter, > Cheers, Thanks Brad. You're welcome, Peter. --  Regards  _          / )           "The blindingly obvious is         / _)rad        never immediately apparent" Where the grass is green and the girls are pretty Paradise City - Guns 'N' Roses ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-usershttps://gramps-project.org attachment0 (499 bytes) Download Attachment
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 In reply to this post by Ron Johnson On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:39:16 -0600 Ron Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote: Hello Ron, >Leave the date blank? I could, but I like that even less. It's one I'm never going to win.  I just have to live with it. --  Regards  _          / )           "The blindingly obvious is         / _)rad        never immediately apparent" You said you ain't had none for weeks, but baby I seen your arms Deny - The Clash ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-usershttps://gramps-project.org attachment0 (499 bytes) Download Attachment