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Bob Billson
Hi! Long time Gramps users. Currently on v4.2.5.

Quick question: I have male member to add to my tree and my family
knot is giving me headaches. :) I  have:

Father Smith marries Mother Jones. Second marriage for both.

Mother Jones has a son and daughter from previous marriage.

Mother Jones' unmarried daughter has a son, who is given up for
adoption.

Father Smith and Mother Jones adopt the son including name change.
Boy is known as John Smith until sometime in his 20s.

Father Smith and Mother Jones later divorce. Mother Jones marries
a third time to Husband3 Bell.

John Smith, sometime in 20s, apparently has a falling out with
Father Smith. John Smith decides to legally renounce Father Smith
as his legal father. Husband3 Bell agrees to become John Smith's
legal father. Thereafter John Smith is known as John Bell.

I'm not cetain how to clearly document this knot. I'm thinking I
can create a new family for each name change. But how do I
document when the previous family ends along with the name changes?
A family can end with parents divorce or death. But can adopted
children "divorce" their parents?

Any advice will much appreciated. :)

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Re: entering male with multiple surname changes?

Dave Scheipers
Hi Bob,

In the man's record, select the names tab and add all of the alternative names. Each with a Type; Birth Name, Adoptive Name, etc and you can add a date or date range for when these names were, became, true. You can also add notes and source the name if there was a legal proceeding, etc

The only question is which name to display as the preferred name.

I hope this helped, Dave

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 6:46 PM, Bob Billson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi! Long time Gramps users. Currently on v4.2.5.

Quick question: I have male member to add to my tree and my family
knot is giving me headaches. :) I  have:

Father Smith marries Mother Jones. Second marriage for both.

Mother Jones has a son and daughter from previous marriage.

Mother Jones' unmarried daughter has a son, who is given up for
adoption.

Father Smith and Mother Jones adopt the son including name change.
Boy is known as John Smith until sometime in his 20s.

Father Smith and Mother Jones later divorce. Mother Jones marries
a third time to Husband3 Bell.

John Smith, sometime in 20s, apparently has a falling out with
Father Smith. John Smith decides to legally renounce Father Smith
as his legal father. Husband3 Bell agrees to become John Smith's
legal father. Thereafter John Smith is known as John Bell.

I'm not cetain how to clearly document this knot. I'm thinking I
can create a new family for each name change. But how do I
document when the previous family ends along with the name changes?
A family can end with parents divorce or death. But can adopted
children "divorce" their parents?

Any advice will much appreciated. :)

        Bob
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Re: entering male with multiple surname changes?

Dave Scheipers
Hi Bob (again)

When this relative was adopted, just add the man's record as a child to the second and third (and the birth) families. You can edit the child from within the family record and change his relationship to the parents. The default is birth but can be changed to Adopted.

Dave

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Dave Scheipers <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Bob,

In the man's record, select the names tab and add all of the alternative names. Each with a Type; Birth Name, Adoptive Name, etc and you can add a date or date range for when these names were, became, true. You can also add notes and source the name if there was a legal proceeding, etc

The only question is which name to display as the preferred name.

I hope this helped, Dave

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 6:46 PM, Bob Billson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi! Long time Gramps users. Currently on v4.2.5.

Quick question: I have male member to add to my tree and my family
knot is giving me headaches. :) I  have:

Father Smith marries Mother Jones. Second marriage for both.

Mother Jones has a son and daughter from previous marriage.

Mother Jones' unmarried daughter has a son, who is given up for
adoption.

Father Smith and Mother Jones adopt the son including name change.
Boy is known as John Smith until sometime in his 20s.

Father Smith and Mother Jones later divorce. Mother Jones marries
a third time to Husband3 Bell.

John Smith, sometime in 20s, apparently has a falling out with
Father Smith. John Smith decides to legally renounce Father Smith
as his legal father. Husband3 Bell agrees to become John Smith's
legal father. Thereafter John Smith is known as John Bell.

I'm not cetain how to clearly document this knot. I'm thinking I
can create a new family for each name change. But how do I
document when the previous family ends along with the name changes?
A family can end with parents divorce or death. But can adopted
children "divorce" their parents?

Any advice will much appreciated. :)

        Bob
--
 bob billson        email: [hidden email]            ham: kc2wz    /)
                 "Tír gan Teanga, Tír gan Anam."    beekeeper  -8|||}
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Re: entering male with multiple surname changes?

Bob Billson
On 2017-07-19 20:04, Dave Scheipers wrote:

> Hi Bob (again)
>
> When this relative was adopted, just add the man's record as a child to
> the
> second and third (and the birth) families. You can edit the child from
> within the family record and change his relationship to the parents.
> The
> default is birth but can be changed to Adopted.
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Dave Scheipers
> <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> In the man's record, select the names tab and add all of the
>> alternative
>> names. Each with a Type; Birth Name, Adoptive Name, etc and you can
>> add a
>> date or date range for when these names were, became, true. You can
>> also
>> add notes and source the name if there was a legal proceeding, etc
>>
>> The only question is which name to display as the preferred name.
>>
>> I hope this helped, Dave

Hi Dave,

Sorry for the delay answering. Thanks,this helps immensely!

As to the preferred name, I thought about this. The man apparently
was never again referred to by the first adoption surname. However,
he had a brother. This brother was both a half-brother (through the
adoption) and half-uncle (through the birth mother, who was
half-sister of the brother). Making the first adoption
surname the preferred name helps show this connection more clearly
to me and hopefully others. I'm not certain if there is a
"best practice" in case like this. :)

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